Stephen Fry, Trump, Denial, and Dunning-Kruger

June 24, 2017

You’ll want to review this when Trump finally does shoot someone on 5th Avenue, and  Fox & Friends give a glowing recap.

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10 Responses to “Stephen Fry, Trump, Denial, and Dunning-Kruger”

  1. dumboldguy Says:

    Good stuff! There is no doubt that Trump is Dunning-Kruger personified. The vast majority of his “accomplishments” and appointments to date offer proof of that.

    Unfortunately, the steamroller of mindlessness just keeps rolling, and is proving hard to stop. Take a look at the stock market—-it appears to be immune to the unfolding Trump disaster. The” smart” money is still betting on Trump, and we all know how that works—-those with several billions can afford to lose half of it—-they will get it back in the next bubble. The little guy will take it in the neck when the SHTF.

  2. ubrew12 Says:

    I like watching youtube video’s on Global Warming because of my interest and many are quite good. Greenman3610’s (Mr Sinclair) are top-o-the-line, of course. Also potholer54 and others. This video is one of the best I’ve ever seen, because it is so dense with information for a relatively short (7′) video.

    • ubrew12 Says:

      I forgot to mention Paul Beckwith, a canadian climatologist, who makes video’s on youtube. Although informative, you need the patience of Job to get through all his pauses, hems and haws. He could really use an editor and to rehearse what he wants to say before the camera is rolling.

  3. J4Zonian Says:

    Video: Guy sounding a little like John Cleese says: People in absolute poverty declining plus infant mortality declining plus crime declining in some (unspecified) countries plus better education equals the world is a better place?

    Bad logic, Peter. While I know you wouldn’t intentionally include inaccurate or misleading statistics, or cherry pick, each of those IS misleading because of lack of context. Accelerating exploitation of Earth creates the appearance of wealth, improving many quality of life stats, while the overexploitation (measured say, by Earth Overshoot Day or CO2e and temperature) is leading to immense problems which seem to be building to a climax of collapse. Or climax followed by collapse.

    Three stats are based on averages, which may indicate everyone’s lives are better, or may indicate increasing inequality with the very rich getting a lot more of everything and many people falling out of secure lives (though not yet into dire poverty). Violent crime is down in the US partly because millions of minority men are in prison and partly because the population is aging quickly, especially when immigrants aren’t included. Violence tends to increase when there’s a struggle for control, and decrease after control is gotten, even if it’s gotten by brutally inhuman people or groups and is maintained by fear of the return of violence. Are the other countries where crime is down also high in inequality, low in rights, and using prisons or fear of violence (or poverty) as social control?

    The poverty stat is pretty short term. What are the long term trends and the implications of increased exploitation, climate change and the larger ecological crisis? What are the implications of a seeming increase in autocratic governments and the decreasing equality, citizen rights, and environmental protections (touted as evidence of how life is better)? What are the implications of the bad decisions ruling elites tend to make as those elites acquire ever more money in a global society where money and power are interchangeable commodities?

    I wonder about the biases and unconscious motives of those who insist on certain provably wrong things. Denial of all kinds rules our lives.

    • dumboldguy Says:

      I wonder about the biases and unconscious motives of those like Jeffy4Z who are so impressed with their own bad “logic” that they would accuse Peter of “including provably wrong things”.

      “People in absolute poverty declining plus infant mortality declining plus crime declining in some (unspecified) countries plus better education equals the world is a better place”?

      Why yes, Jeffy, and the fact that there are now 7-1/2 billion of us and so many ARE doing better is proof of that. You whine about context? You can get lots of data from the UN, the CIA World Book, and many other sources that WILL put those assertions “in context” and perhaps allow you to come down off your high horse.

      Denial seems to rule YOUR life here, and you sound like a climate change denier when you rant on about “…inaccurate or misleading statistics, or cherry pick, and lack of context”.

      You talk out of both sides of your mouth when you first say “Accelerating exploitation of Earth creates the appearance of wealth, improving many quality of life stats”, and then turn around and babble about “…the overexploitation (measured say, by Earth Overshoot Day or CO2e and temperature) is leading to immense problems which seem to be building to a climax of collapse. Or climax followed by collapse”. Both statements may be true enough, but the “wealth” is REAL to those who never had it before, and the “collapse” is still conjecture and years away (we hope).

      Except for the excess of hyperbole and some other silliness (Fewer criminals because of aging?, and what IS the crime rate among immigrants? Do you know?), I can’t quarrel too much with your last couple of paragraphs. You see the inter-connectedness and the “web” that surrounds us. You’re not alone in that, but please try to exercise some restraint when you get an urge to gallop like this on a thread about Dunning Kruger.

  4. Andy Lee Robinson Says:

    Here’s the full story on the “But I wore the lemon juice!” bankrobber:
    https://opinionator.blogs.nytimes.com/2010/06/20/the-anosognosics-dilemma-1/

    Worth your time!

  5. webej Says:

    Gegen Dummheit kämpfen Götter selbst vergebens
    Even the gods contend in vain against foolhardiness

    Foolhardy is a great word. Fools are not only wrong, but have a certain strength of character in their willful persistence.


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