Signs of the Times

January 22, 2017

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I decided to follow my own advice, and be Local and Vocal, went to our local anti-Trump demo.  One of the first things you notice is the fun, good spirits, and sometimes, wisdom of the signs people are bringing out.

Saturday’s demonstrations were impressive, but they will only be a sea change if those of us who care about the future of life on the planet begin a strong follow up in coming days.

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Significant that so many gatherings occurred outside of the major urban centers.
In my own small, mostly republican town, hundreds turned out (rare, trust me) at a major thoroughfare – and were greeted with a surprising number of excited and approving honks, thumbs up, and fist pumps from passing motorists.

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63 Responses to “Signs of the Times”


  1. I was looking at the crowds yesterday, definitely happy that they happened, but wondering why can’t climate change action get those kinds of crowds? I went to the 350.org protest in DC a few years ago, was awesome but nowhere near the crowds we saw yesterday. And this protest doesn’t seem to have a coherent message. I hope it gains one.

    • dumboldguy Says:

      The NYC climate demonstration DID have a good crowd, and the first 100 days of the reign of Pussy Grabber, Pruitt, and Perry are likely to be so disastrous for climate change that the DC climate demonstration in April will likely be YUUUUUGE, especially if the women come back—–there are lots of dedicated “Moms for clean air, water, and food” groups out there, and the ranks of many of the environmental organizations are heavily populated with women. And they are SMART—-IMO, the generalized and ongoing anger at the Pussy Grabber will cause all the protests to coalesce and become more “coherent” with time. 350.org is already predicting a crowd of 500,000.

      Mark the date on your calendar—-SATURDAY, APRIL 29, 2017. Spring time in Washington DC is nice, and the cherry blossom and spring break tourist crowds will be mostly gone by the end of April.

  2. vierotchka Says:

    That is interesting. I can only concur and approve!


  3. Great crowds. Now if the people who made the effort to show up would consider everyday items we could begin the transition away from fossil fuels. Switch to electric lawn mowers, leaf blowers, weed trimmers, look for a plug-in car. Add insulation to their homes. Start small and build towards a better future. Your local government needs to hear you want them to consider buying plug-in vehicles whenever possible. Acting local means improving your personal choices not just asking others to do so.

    • vierotchka Says:

      First you need to ensure that no fossil fuels or nuclear plants are used to create all that electricity, in my opinion.

      • dumboldguy Says:

        I agree with the “no fossil fuels” idea, but fail to see why you say “no nukes”, since they are the best large source of CO2 emissions-free base load electricity available .

        Also, are you aware that Russia and your hero Vladimir are working to become big players in the nuclear power industry?—-trying to sell power plants to India, etc? Are you contradicting the thug-in-chief? Be careful—-that can get you killed.

          • dumboldguy Says:

            No, the two words remain “stupid woman”. A link to an article about drums of radioactive waste that were dumped in the ocean SIXTY years ago when we didn’t know any better proves that.

            If you weren’t a stupid woman and knew anything at all about the latest generations of nuclear power plants, you would know that they produce little radioactive waste and in fact use it as fuel and burn it up.

        • Paul Whyte Says:

          It’s an emotional argument against nuclear that comes mixed in with the threat of nuclear weapons from the cold war and has been baked in with all the ideology of only small local is ok.

          The ideological mind freeze (which makes it all about identity) is not only on the fossil fuel part of the climate change discussion, it’s also on the stop climate change side as well.

          Whether it produces CO2 does not seem to make it into the reasoning as it’s not reasoning, it’s feelings.

          Also the panic to stop putting CO2 into the air in this next 5 to 10 years also does not make that much sense. It’s the CO2 over 350 ppm that is melting the ice caps. Adding a bit more now or not is not the issue.

          Keeping the Obama regulations or not, is not really going to change the CO2 levels in the air that much.

          It’s like arguing that lollypop size steps are very important but really covering the distance needed are not. Actually covering the distance is what matters. Having an orange stupid in charge just increases the cost the future has to pay for any kind of economy to survive into 2200s.

          Getting the CO2 level from 400 ppm to 350 ppm is what matters. Little bits here and there are just sound bites for the news. A full re-engineering of the power supply to remove carbon based energy is what is needed.

          The issue is that it needed to stop in the 1970s when the ice caps started to melt. We are 45 years too late not, we only have 5 to 15 years left of fossil carbon-gorging till we get serious.

          Now we need to end fossil fuel use not just restrict it a bit. Building large industrial scale sectors that put carbon back in the ground again is the issue. Large-scale reforestation and rebuilding the carbon content in the soil are needed, not just an added extra reductions in coal use.

          The question needs to be asked. Do we really want to pass civilisation on to the future or do we just go the way we are going? The so-called conservatives have turned their lights out and are acting like those knocking at their doors with the information about current world events like ice sheets melting are not real. La la la (i’m not listening) is getting to be quite common when details are discussed all around the world.

          Nuclear power is not able to end civilisation going forwards since the technology needed to burn the waste for fuel is now some decades old. Fossil fuel use is.

          • vierotchka Says:

            The big problem is methane, especially the methane that is released by the melting permafrost.

          • dumboldguy Says:

            Darling V may be suffering from dissociative identity disorder (multiple personalities). The same vulgar and stupid old women is posting her usual crap on other threads while this “other” Vierotchka is actually attempting to talk some science with us. (?) Is there a third Vierotchka out there?

            Too bad she gets it wrong with “The big problem is methane, especially the methane that is released by the melting permafrost.” No, V, the big problem right now is the CO2 released by the burning of fossil fuels. Methane from multiple sources IS a big problem, but it’s not THE big problem (yet).

          • Paul Whyte Says:

            Hi Vierotchka,

            I agree with you to the extent that it’s more correct of me to say that the CO2 equivalents need to be dropped from 400 ppm(e) to 350 ppm(e).

            The research that I have read has said that while the methane store in tundra and sea floors is so massive that if it is released quickly then we are pointed at 10 degrees C average global warming and we all teach our children to get use to the idea of living on the mountains of Antarctica once it’s melted as that is only place on Earth that humans with-out air conditioning could easily live. That would be the only place our ancestors can live for 10,000 to 100,000 years. It’s a massive threat but not yet in play.

            Also that the methane release from tundra is currently is low but increasing. The researcher (i’m too busy to search for who it was but he was working on modeling from study of tunnels and past warming events) claimed that rapid release did not seem possible just now. But increasing release would be ongoing. Of course, if the fossil fuel billionaires get their way and burn all their stores then the methane has a much bigger chance of being in play from tundra and sea floors. That is one the game over scenarios. Where humans live on a planet with extreme weather probably underground with the surface ravaged till the rocks weather enough to allow the carbon to be stored in the ocean. Most species will be dead and life is only possible for the very wealthy who will need all their wits to cobble an under ground civilization together over the coming millennia. It’s like a science fiction night mare.

            Since the world is taking a path in some ways that is worse than modeled your concerns about methane from tundra may become real. I certainly hope not. It really is a nightmare scenario.

          • vierotchka Says:

            Hello Paul!

            Perhaps you meant descedants rather than ancestors. :9

            I think my concerns about methane in the tundra are fast becoming real. These blowholes (see article linked below) are growing in numbers.

            http://www.ecowatch.com/huge-new-methane-blowholes-in-siberia-have-scientists-worried-climate–1882013079.html

          • vierotchka Says:

            Then, there are these, appearing in Siberia:

          • dumboldguy Says:

            No need to “agree” with Vera’s “concerns”, Paul, because she doesn’t really have any. She is just trying to “play nice” on this single thread by talking science in order to distract us from the topic at hand—-the massive anti-Trump demonstrations and the “signs of the times”.

            Undoubtedly, her Russian masters were a bit shocked at how strongly Americans are rejecting Trump, and by extension his puppet master and owner Putin. If Vera and her fellow whores can’t distract us and get things quieted down, that will delay Trump’s meeting with Putin and the lifting of sanctions—-they want us fat and stupid before that move so as to not produce even bigger demonstrations and more “signs of the times”.

            Vera links us to a two-year-old piece that doesn’t tell us much—-many more informative pieces and studies have been done since, and as I said and you reinforced, methane may become a huge and perhaps frighteningly uncontrollable problem, but it’s not yet—–CO2 is the immediate concern,

            A more recent piece in methane as a GHG—–look down to the end of the comment stream for the best data:

            https://www.skepticalscience.com/methane-and-global-warming.htm


      • Those are issues that can be addressed in parallel.

        There are few places where switching to electric is going to make things worse and we can continue to phase things like coal out and things like wind & solar in.


      • I support nuclear in the efforts to cut fossil fuel use. There are dangers, of course, and they last a long time, but so does the effect of CO2 in the atmosphere. Those ice sheets, once melted, will take multiple thousands of years to rebuild. Maybe multiple tens of thousands. And the effects from CO2 are global, where the effects from a nuclear disaster are relatively localized. Not good in any sense, but local is better than global when you’re talking about risks.

        • vierotchka Says:

          Chernobyl’s radioactive cloud was widespread and affected most of Europe, Fukushima’s radioactivity has reached the US shores and many other places as well as poisoned much of the fauna and flora in the Pacific ocean, so local is not all that local. Also, how long would it take and how much would it cost to build the latest “safe” nuclear plants, and how many would be needed?

          • dumboldguy Says:

            Here’s the personality of V’s that appears only on this thread. We can label this one “Science Vera” to distinguish her from the “vulgar, stupid, piggy Vera”, who is the one we see on all other Crock threads. It’s too bad that Science Vera apparently doesn’t know much science, or she could be more helpful.

            Yes, it’s true that “Chernobyl’s radioactive cloud was widespread and affected (much, not most) of Europe and that Fukushima’s radioactivity has reached the US shores and many other places as well”, just as did the fallout from all the nuclear testing the US, USSR, and others did in the past, as well as a whole library of thousands of toxic substances that “modern” society has produced and dumped into the air and the water without concern for the environment.

            It is simply NOT true that Fukushima has “poisoned much of the fauna and flora in the Pacific ocean”. Direct human deaths from Chernobyl radiation number well below 100 and from Fukushima exactly ZERO. The Chernobyl exclusion zone is only 1600 sq. mi. (= to a 40 x 40 mile square). Future deaths from Chernobyl have been estimated at from ~5,000 to 50,000 by 2065, with the “wayouts” predicting near 1 million at some far in the future point.

            Climate change is estimated to be causing 300,000+ deaths globally PER YEAR RIGHT NOW, and the lowest estimate for 2050 is ~500,000 per year. By contrast, radiation, IS pretty much local, and isn’t killing anywhere near the numbers that are likely to die because of AGW (which could reach the hundreds of millions or even billions in a few decades if things go really badly).

            Science Vera asks “How long would it take and how much would it cost to build the latest “safe” nuclear plants, and how many would be needed?”, and those are good questions. She can find more definitive answers if she wants to, but the short answer is “Too long, very expensive, and more would be needed than it looks like anyone wants to build”. Unless of course, the SHTF, we exceed the tipping points that we appear to be teetering on, and runaway positive feedback occurs. Then those questions become moot.

          • vierotchka Says:

            First of all, please call me by my name, Vierotchka.

            Secondly, it is not just on this thread.

            Thirdly, the vulgar, stupid and piggy dumboldguy is far more vulgar, stupid and piggy than the vulgar, stupid and piggy me.

            Avaunt!

          • dumboldguy Says:

            Your name IS Vera! Vera Narishkin, to be exact, and it’s plastered all over the web.

            Just because your narcissism and ego drives you to try to be “cute”, don’t go around demanding that we English speakers get cute along with you and waste our time typing out all the stupid Russian -otchkas, -ovichs, -nymics, and diminutives that so corrupt the Russian language.

            Secondly, “Science Vera” DOES appear just on this thread. The “other” Vera that makes vulgar, stupid and piggy comments—the one we are all so used to—-appears on all other Crock threads. I keep hoping THAT Vera will do an “angelic flyby”, with the change that she keep on going and never return. (Note the name on the title page)

          • vierotchka Says:

            Here and in many other sites, I am Vierotchka. Note that Vierotchka is a very common name, and there are many different Vierotchkas on the internet.

            Go back to hell where you belong.

          • dumboldguy Says:

            No, there are NOT many Vierotchkas on the web, and YOU have posted enough of your so-called “art” here on Crock (along with enough other identifying information) that it’s quite clear who you are. Anyone who wants to google “Vierotchka” and look at the hits for “images” and “Youtube” can see for themselves.

            Why do you persist in denying reality, VERA? I and others have beaten your brains out on every exchange on this thread and others, and you still keep acting like you’re winning. Truly delusional—-unless of course, your Russian masters reward you for the number of comments you make and the number of replies you get because they are dumber than you or don’t read English—-in that case, you are one “smart” (and devious and dishonest) cookie.

          • vierotchka Says:

            You are completely wrong, as always.

          • dumboldguy Says:

            Another stupid and non responsive answer from a stupid woman. Is it any wonder that she bores us to death and….ZZZZZzzzzz…..!!!!

          • vierotchka Says:

            Furthermore, people are still dying in Europe from the consequences of Chernobyl, mostly from cancer of the thyroid. The effects of Fukushima on Americans have not yet begun to show, but they sure will. Fish and seaweed have indeed been poisoned by the radioactivity in the Pacific Ocean. Stop talking fecese.

          • dumboldguy Says:

            People are still dying from cancer of the thyroid all over the world, and in addition to some (unknown number) being caused by the radiation from Chernobyl, some can be traced back to the nuclear weapon tests that the Russians did back in the day, including that 50 megaton one that they did to prove that their hands were not small. Thank god Putin was not in charge then or the tests would have been even bigger as he tried to prove his weaselhood.

            VERA makes a true statement for a change with “The effects of Fukushima on Americans have not yet begun to show” (and they likely never will in any measurable way), and then reverts to her familiar “bald assertion” form with “…but they sure will” and “Fish and seaweed have indeed been poisoned by the radioactivity in the Pacific Ocean”.

            PLEASE, Vera, I beg you—–do an Angelic Flyby out of our lives! You are poisoning the discourse on Crock with your “radioactive” bullshit.

          • dumboldguy Says:

            Yes, “Science Vera” is proving to be a terrific source of science information. For proof, just look at the quality of the link she provided for our “edification”. A piece by David Wolfe, who is a sure bet for a a Nobel Prize at some point in the future. Just look at his CV, which was conveniently appended to the linked piece.

            “David “Avocado” Wolfe is the rock star and Indiana Jones of the superfoods and
            longevity universe. The world’s top CEOs, ambassadors, celebrities, athletes, artists, and the real superheroes of this planet—Moms—all look to David for expert advice in health, beauty, herbalism, nutrition, and chocolate!

            “David is the celebrity spokesperson for America’s #1 selling kitchen appliance: the NUTRiBULLET™ and for http://www.LongevityWarehouse.com. He is the co-founder of TheBestDayEver.com online health magazine and is the visionary founder and president of the non-profit The Fruit Tree Planting Foundation charity (www.ftpf.org) with a mission to plant 18 billion fruit, nut, and medicinal trees on planet Earth.”

            David is such a science superstar that I’m surprised The Pussy Grabber hasn’t nominated him for a cabinet post.

          • dumboldguy Says:

            You should quit while you’re ahead, VERA. We have discussed on Crock before what the Center for Research on Globalization really is—-a disreputable and discredited site that is, guess what?—–ANOTHER Russian propaganda effort. Hitch up your panties, VERA—-they’ve fallen down to your ankles on this one!

            https://toinformistoinfluence.com/2014/11/03/russian-propaganda-expose-globalresearch/

  4. dumboldguy Says:

    Yep, demonstrations by “our” side ARE attended by people who are much more “fun” and far FAR smarter than the mouth breathers of the right, who are best exemplified by the much photographed Tea Party moron who held up a sign in 2003 that said “Get a Brain! Morans”. These are some great pics, Peter—-the first one is awesome—-this kid is a future rocket scientist (or one of his parents already is), and I’d like to think the the misspelling of fascism is a parody of “morans”. Anyone who needs a good laugh (or cry) and wants to see what we’re up against should check out the images here:

    https://www.google.com/search?q=tr+party+morans+sign&rlz=1C1CHBD_enUS714US714&tbm=isch&tbo=u&source=univ&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwjZ7djG_NXRAhVDMSYKHSlZA7QQsAQIHQ&biw=997&bih=927#tbm=isch&q=tea+party+signs+morans

    I went to the Stewart-Colbert “Restore Sanity” rally in 2010 and was impressed by the good spirits, intelligence, and wit of the crowd. Check out a sample here:

    https://www.google.com/search?q=restore+sanity+rally+signs&rlz=1C1CHBD_enUS714US714&tbm=isch&tbo=u&source=univ&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwjG7PT9_9XRAhVEOyYKHepBBzgQsAQITw&biw=997&bih=927

    I wore a tinfoil-covered broad-brimmed hat with tea bags hanging down all around the brim and a sign saying “They Can’t Make Me Think!”—–got lots of comments and my picture was taken by 15 or 20 people, but it didn’t make the “big hits” image list.

  5. indy222 Says:

    Nuclear in the form of breeders that can consume LWR’s waste that’s laying around by the mega tons, is a good idea. There are much safer designs these days. However, it’s very slow and expensive to deploy nuclear these days and we don’t have that time. Solar/wind have the cost and easy deployability that’s required for now. I sigh at the vast acreage needed by solar. 33 square miles of PV panels + support area around them, to replace one 12-acre nuclear power plant (older design, even). That’s a lot of Mother Earth incoming energy to commandeer for ourselves. Plants, trees, animals… all need sunlight. Yet no other species can use thorium except us. Maybe we should consider doing so and leaving the sunlight to the rest of the species (when we can climate-afford to).

    • dumboldguy Says:

      Agreed. The design shortcomings of the older reactors and the shortcomings of those who run them ARE scary, but we have unfortunately let our fear keep us from pursuing the newer designs for too long, and it may now be too late to catch up because of the long construction time of new (big) plants. Maybe we should instead build lot of smaller “neighborhood” sized nukes?

      Not to worry though—-clean coal and more drilling will save us! Trump’s energy plan says so!

      • indy222 Says:

        yeah…. cue the little smiling “clean coal” nugget video, Peter! Absurdity knows NO BOUNDS in this Brave new post-factual world. ‘s OK, DOG, I got the sarcasm.

        • dumboldguy Says:

          I wasn’t being sarcastic! The Pussy Grabber was elected by less than half of the voters and that means he has a freakin’ MANDATE to destroy the country and the biosphere. Show the Pussy Grabber some respect (and hide your women).

  6. Andy Lee Robinson Says:

    The incredible difference in crowd turnouts are absolutely incompatible with the election results.

    The fact that hardly anybody bothered to turn up for his inauguration shows a huge disconnect and casts a lot of doubt on the integrity of the election system.


    • Though of course, a certain new president would dispute that claim as “fake news”….😒

      • dumboldguy Says:

        And his Stepford Wife Zombie Adviser Kelly Ann would also start babbling about “alternate facts”.

        I AM pleased that Chuck Todd seems to be growing into his role as NBC’s Political Director. He lit into SWZA Kelly Ann big time over “alternate facts”, and as is her wont, she just let out a long Gish Gallop of BS and tried to drown him out. Kelly Ann and the new Press Secretary are going to provide lots of laughs.


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  8. dumboldguy Says:

    Can we get back on topic now that VERA has done her best to distract us with her whoring for Putin and posting the idiotic links that expose her for what she is?

    The topic is “signs of our times” and the signs are those that were in evidence at the various anti-Trump/Putin rallies held in the USA. Many demonstrations were held around the world, and you can google images that show lots of clever signs on display everywhere.

    I’ve done so, and IMO the best of them is the one that Peter caught in Midland. He ought to try to get it into one of the compilations.

    TINKLE, TINKLE, LITTLE CZAR
    PUTIN PUT YOU WHERE YOU ARE

    The play on words is great but the artwork ties it together and puts it WAY over the top.

    I will repeat what I said earlier that (the creepy little weasel) Putin must be surprised at the blowback his manipulation of our election has produced. The American people are not going to take it peacefully, and Putin’s plans for the Manchurian Pussy Grabber doing Russia’s bidding are going to be greatly delayed.

  9. dumboldguy Says:

    FLASH NEWS—–VERA Narishkin is taking down a lot of her Youtube stuff. The Angelic Flyby clip I referenced in an earlier comment has been “removed by user”, as has all her other “original art”. What are you trying to hide, VERA? All your stupidity and perfidy will be archived forever here on Crock. You can’t hide.


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