The New Normal is Now No Normal

July 21, 2021

Above, Chris Hayes remarks on the experience of living in the “no normal” world.

Below, from almost a decade ago, my video “Welcome to the Rest of Our Lives” has held up pretty well.

UPDATE:

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  1. redskylite Says:

    July 21, 2021 at 11:33 pm

    Just wonder how long the new normal will remain normal, before the new new normal kicks in. Just amazed how calmly many have greeted it and how many can still debate that it is not happening.

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    Top US scientist on melting glaciers: ‘I’ve gone from being an ecologist to a coroner’

    “We’re coming at things all wrong, trying to save a species by putting it in a zoo or replanting trees. But if you aren’t going to the root cause of the problem it’s still going to happen. That’s not to say that if we didn’t just get our act together and make some major changes, we couldn’t save some of this. We just can’t do it one species at a time.”

    https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2021/jul/21/climate-crisis-glacier-diana-six-ecologist

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    • rhymeswithgoalie Says:

      July 22, 2021 at 2:27 pm

      “Somewhere along the way, I had gone from being an ecologist to a coroner. I am no longer documenting life. I’m describing loss, decline, death.”

      We’ll just have to cling to the happy memories of enhancing shareholder value.

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    • John Swallow Says:

      July 23, 2021 at 7:12 am

      I wonder what the bug doctor, Diana Six, would have had to say about how the glaciers in Glaciers Bay, where I have had my own boat up into as far as the glacier face, were effected by climate change during this rapid retreat?
      “In 1794, Glacier Bay was filled with one massive glacier. I wonder if Diana Six could explain what was the “root cause” of the glaciers in Glaciers Bay melting at such a rapid rate so many years ago?

      Enter Glacier Bay and you cruise along shorelines completely covered by ice just 200 years ago. Explorer Capt. George Vancouver found Icy Strait choked with ice in 1794, and Glacier Bay was a barely indented glacier. That glacier was more than 4,000 feet thick, up to 20 miles or more wide, and extended more than 100 miles to the St. Elias Range of mountains. But by 1879 naturalist John Muir found that the ice had retreated 48 miles up the bay. By 1916 the Grand Pacific Glacier headed Tarr Inlet 65 miles from Glacier Bay’s mouth. Such rapid retreat is known nowhere else. Scientists have documented it, hoping to learn how glacial activity relates to climate changes.
      In 1794, as the mother ship H.M.S. Discovery, Captained by George Vancouver, lay at anchor in Pt. Althorp, a survey crew under the command of Lt. Joseph Whidbey painstakingly maneuvered their longboats through the ice-choked waters of Icy Strait. https://www.nps.gov/glba/learn/historyculture/people.htm

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  2. Paul Whyte Says:

    July 22, 2021 at 4:00 am

    This news report is very similar to the air in Sydney Australia for spring summer and autumn when the fires were what was going on about 2 years ago.

    Since then there has been disaster following disaster.

    I’ve been settling in to finding ways to adapt to this bad situation while investing in solar, batteries and EV to reduce CO2 emissions as much as possible.

    It’s time to harden the defences as it looks very much like its set in.

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  3. Brent Jensen-Schmidt Says:

    July 22, 2021 at 5:23 am

    Always make it clear, that even though it is now a NORMAL, it is still disastrously bad,

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    • rhymeswithgoalie Says:

      July 22, 2021 at 2:38 pm

      Except that the point is the new normal is no normal.

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      • Brent Jensen-Schmidt Says:

        July 22, 2021 at 9:12 pm

        Round and round the mulberry bush!

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        • John Swallow Says:

          July 23, 2021 at 7:42 am

          This that follows was a time when life on Earth was “disastrously bad”. It is strange how Brent Jensen-Schmidt seems to imagine that things are so horrible now when “The current life expectancy for Japan in 2021 is 84.79 years, a 0.14% increase from 2020. The life expectancy for Japan in 2020 was 84.67 years, a 0.14% increase from 2019”.
          Does Brent Jensen-Schmidt believe that things were so great during the Little Ice Age when the planet was COLD?

          “For most people there was often not enough to eat and life expectancy was relatively short since many children died. According to records of the royal family of the Kingdom of England, among the best cared for in society, the average life expectancy in 1276 was 35.28 years. Between 1301 and 1325 during the Great Famine it was 29.84, while between 1348 and 1375, during the Black Death and subsequent plagues, it dropped to only 17.33”.
          http://www.halinaking.co.uk/Location/Yorkshire/Frames/History/1315%20Great%20Famine/Great%20Famine.htm

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          • dumboldguy Says:

            July 23, 2021 at 8:59 am

            WTF! John Regurgitate does some more inane “what abouts” with a reference to life expectancies in Japan (it’s going down in the US) and pointing at something that happened 600-700 years ago.

            We need to be looking at where we are RIGHT NOW and where it appears we are going in the near future. (And I DO wish JS would find some other site to pollute—-I for one am getting tired of his mindless denialism).

          • rhymeswithgoalie Says:

            July 23, 2021 at 11:46 am

            (1) Human civilization developed within a small band of planetary climates and temperatures.
            (2) The Little Ice Age did not affect the whole planet.
            (3) Cherry-picking Japan, a relatively isolated and regimented society, does not reflect the experience of the other 99% of the world’s population

            You spend a lot of time and handwaving to avoid acknowledging, much less addressing, our current GHG-driven problem.

    • John Swallow Says:

      July 23, 2021 at 7:25 am

      Brent Jensen-Schmidt needs to explain just how conditions on the Earth are now so “disastrously bad” when there are more humans living more productive and longer lives than at any other time in human history.
      “One of the most remarkable feats in the world has been the lifting of about a billion people out of abject poverty in the past couple of decades. If the industrialisation trend continues, then this century could witness some of the rapid improvements in living standards seen in the West during the 19th Century. […] The prize, which many will hope is in reach, is that global poverty is eliminated entirely within another couple of decades. It is the reason why the Nobel Laureate Robert Lucas said that once you start thinking about economic growth and the improvements in standards of living, it is hard to stop.” http://www.bbc.com/news/business-22956470

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      • dumboldguy Says:

        July 23, 2021 at 9:03 am

        BJS does NOT need to explain how conditions on earth are so disastrously bad.

        Anyone with a brain and a minimal understanding of science already knows that we are headed for a catastrophe that may kill off half of that human population that is leading such “productive and longer lives”

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        • John Swallow Says:

          July 23, 2021 at 9:25 pm

          dumboldguy Says: “We need to be looking at where we are RIGHT NOW and where it appears we are going in the near future.” as if he has any idea where the Earth’s climate will be in the future. What would his idea about the Earth’s future temperatures have been if he had witnessed when the world record for high temperature was set in Death Valley
          on 10 July 1913 at Greenland Ranch (Death Valley) CA USA when the highest recorded surface temperature of 56.7°C (134°F) was measured?
          http://journals.ametsoc.org/doi/abs/10.1175/BAMS-D-12-00093.1?af=R&

          The dumboldguy can look into this VALID information and offer up one of his off of the wall, inane comments to make sure that what his name implies is true.
          This chart shows that the health transition began at different times in different world regions; Oceania began to see increases in life expectancy around 1870, while Africa didn’t begin to see increases until around 1920.
          Since then life expectancy doubled in all world regions.
          • In Oceania life expectancy increased from 35 years before the health transition to 79 years in 2019.
          • In Europe from 34 to 79 years.
          • In the Americas from 35 to 77 years.
          • In Asia from 27.5 to 73.6.
          • And in Africa from 26 years to 63 years.
          Globally the life expectancy increased from an average of 29 to 73 years in 2019.
          https://ourworldindata.org/life-expectancy

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        • John Swallow Says:

          July 23, 2021 at 10:40 pm

          dumboldguy Says: “BJS does NOT need to explain how conditions on earth are so disastrously bad.” There is much real evidence that makes a mockery out of the dumboldguy’s inane comments. I know from experience that the ones who have no interest in what the truth is will attack the messengers and not try to explain how the message might be wrong.

          “The United States recently went through its longest period in recorded history without a major hurricane strike, experiencing its fewest total hurricanes in any eight-year period. And IPCC’s 2018 Interim Report observes there is “only low confidence for the attribution of any detectable changes in tropical cyclone activity to anthropogenic influences.”
          […]
          The average number of strong tornadoes annually from 1986 to 2017 was 40 percent less than from 1954 to 1985,” Alexander wrote concerning the absence of changes in tornado trends during the recent period of modest warming
          […]
          In 2017 and 2019, NOAA reported the United States is undergoing its longest period in recorded history with fewer than 40 percent of the country experiencing “very dry” conditions.
          https://www.theepochtimes.com/ipcc-and-skeptics-agree-climate-change-is-not-causing-extreme-weather_3400695.html?fbclid=IwAR06D_l7QrIXY2QF5EFxDw44l-jNsfrcpm0udhL_Bb02Q55d9i2Ssr9x7c4

          Claiming that increasingly strong hurricanes are battering the Gulf coast is another lie. Between Hurricane Wilma in 2005 and Hurricane Harvey in 2017 a record 4,323-days, 142-months, 12-year long major hurricane drought occurred shattering the previous record of 96 months set between September 1860 and August 1869.

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        • John Swallow Says:

          July 23, 2021 at 10:47 pm

          “Recent atmospheric heat waves in western Europe,” wrote Alexander, “pale in comparison with the soaring temperatures of the 1930s, a period when three of the seven continents and 32 of the 50 US states set all-time high temperature records, which still stand today.”

          dumboldguy needs to understand that of the 50 states in the union, 25 states have record highs temperatures from the period 1930-1937.
          Arkansas, Colorado, Delaware, Florida, Hawaii, Idaho, Indiana, Iowa, Kansas, Kentucky, Louisiana, Michigan, Mississippi, Montana, Nebraska, New Jersey, North Dakota, Ohio, Oklahoma, Pennsylvania, South Dakota, Tennessee, Texas, West Virginia & Wisconsin adds up to 25 states whose record HIGH have all occurred between 1930 & 1936.

          OK, dumboldguy, here are the states who set records & he cannot answer why the records set for High temperatures in these 25 states occurred between 1930 & 1936. dumboldguy will not be able to answer why and how these 13 states listed below had their record highs occur BEFORE 1930 & 1936, such as; Alaska, California, Connecticut, Maine, Maryland, Minnesota, Montana, New Hampshire, New York, Oregon, Vermont, Virginia & Washington.
          The above in formation came from this source:

          A total of fourteen states set record highs in 1936 that obviously still stand. They occurred from July 5th to August 10th although July 10th has four of the records for high temperature in include Maryland which tied the record set in July 3, 1898 of 109°F, the rest that set records that year are New Jersey, Penn. & Virginia.

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          • John Swallow Says:

            July 23, 2021 at 10:48 pm

            The above in formation came from this source: http://www.ncdc.noaa.gov/extremes/scec/records

          • dumboldguy Says:

            July 24, 2021 at 8:11 pm

            John Puke is relentless in his attempts to make something out of the heat waves of the 1930’s. Here we are, NINETY years later, looking at the looming catastrophe, and he is still doing meaningless “what-abouts” and cherry-picking data *which he often gets wrong—such as the record in Washington State.

            What the heck is wrong with you. Pukey? How can you be so deluded? Or are you a POE, just here to play with us?

      • Brent Jensen-Schmidt Says:

        July 23, 2021 at 11:00 am

        Talking about the climate twit.

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        • John Swallow Says:

          July 23, 2021 at 9:34 pm

          How are people going to advance out of poverty if the climate is as bad as what you alarmist imagine that it is? The world is making huge strides in overcoming global poverty. Since 1990, a quarter of the world has risen out of extreme poverty. Now, less than 10% of the world lives in extreme poverty, surviving on $1.90 a day or less.
          When families move out of poverty, children’s health and well-being improve. Since 1990, the number of children dying — mostly from preventable causes such as poverty, hunger, and disease — is less than half of what it was, dropping from more than 35,000 a day to under 15,000.
          https://www.worldvision.org/sponsorship-news-stories/global-poverty-facts

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      • rhymeswithgoalie Says:

        July 23, 2021 at 12:14 pm

        You’re looking back from the mountain human civilization has climbed. If you looked forward, you’d see we’re about to drop off a cliff.

        Global warming and ocean acidification are expensive. Increasing disasters like tropical cyclones, rain bombs, wildfires and heat domes damage infrastructure, homes and businesses faster than any prosperity can keep up. Ten billion here, ten billion there, and hundreds of thousands of people displaced from their normal productive lives, and more every year.

        Most crops take months to grow. The increased frequency of events worldwide that ruin crops (flash droughts, dam/levee breaches, derechos, wildfires, heat domes, tropical cyclones) means more food shortages (and raised prices), more riots, more malnutrition. Agriculture is used to adapting to an occasional “bad year”, but the payback is getting worse and worse.

        Ocean heating and acidification are killing the main protein sources for billions of people. Killing a coral reef kills a nursery for the next generations of sea life.

        “Hey, I’ve been floating down this lovely river for days and nothing bad has happened. What roaring sound?”

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        • John Swallow Says:

          July 23, 2021 at 9:48 pm

          It is amazing in a slight way just how pessimistic that the climate alarmist can be. I guess that is the lack of education and having no desire to find out what the truth is that cases this sinking feeling among the anthropogenic climate change alarmist.
          rhymeswithgoalie Says: “Global warming and ocean acidification are expensive”.
          Why should anyone bring up sea water acidification when it isn’t happening?
          It would be simple and probably nice if the earth’s climate and ocean actions could be explained with something as simple as a trace gas, carbon dioxide, that makes up .035-8% of the atmosphere and 15.1% of the ocean’s makeup but only simple people could believe such a thing. They should know just how dynamic and complex the climate is and all of the factors that affect it before making such a flawed judgment. Here are some sites to look into, if you care to. The biggest flows out of the atmosphere are photosynthesis on land and CO₂ uptake by cold ocean water. These are about 30 times and 40 times respectively the flow of carbon into the atmosphere from fossil fuel burning. What follows also addresses the utterly insane allegation that CO₂ is increasing the acidity of the oceans.

          “The pycnocline (meaning rapid change of density) separates the surface layer of the ocean from the deep ocean. Deep ocean water has a temperature of about 3 degrees Celsius and a salinity measuring about 34-35 psu.” (What does all of this do to the ocean’s pH? Where and what depth are your pH observations taken from?)
          http://www.windows2universe.org/earth/Water/deep_ocean.html

          Ocean Acidification can never occur because of the buffering action of calcium carbonate. Our oceans are solidly basic with a pH of about 8.0 that varies a little depending mostly on ocean temperature. Increasing atmospheric carbon dioxide will only decrease alkalinity (pH) a tiny amount, far less than natural variations.

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        • John Swallow Says:

          July 23, 2021 at 10:13 pm

          rhymeswithgoalie Says: “Human civilization developed within a small band of planetary climates and temperatures” and that is all true and all of those areas were warm with a temperate climate. In other words, civilization did not develop in the arctic but in areas such as where the temperatures are warm, such as Egypt, Mesopotamia and the Yucatan Peninsula.
          rhymeswithgoalie Says: “The Little Ice Age did not affect the whole planet” and then he displays a phony graph that shows Mann’s debunked hockey stick.
          5.1.1.7 The Little Ice Age (1300 A.D. to the 20th Century)
          Winters during the Little Ice Age were bitterly cold in many parts of the world. Advance of glaciers in the Swiss Alps in the mid-17th century gradually encroached on farms and buried entire villages. The Thames River and canals and rivers of the Netherlands frequently froze over during the winter. New York Harbor froze in the winter of 1780 and people could walk from Manhattan to Staten Island. Sea ice surrounding Iceland extended for miles in every direction, closing many harbors. The population of Iceland decreased by half and the Viking colonies in Greenland died out in the 1400s because they could no longer grow enough food there. In parts of China, warm weather crops that had been grown for centuries were abandoned. In North America, early European settlers experienced exceptionally severe winters. https://www.sciencedirect.com/topics/earth-and-planetary-sciences/medieval-warm-period

          rhymeswithgoalie Says: “Cherry-picking Japan, a relatively isolated and regimented society, does not reflect the experience of the other 99% of the world’s population”
          The rhymeswithgoalie can look into this VALID information and then repeat his; “… does not reflect the experience of the other 99% of the world’s population”
          This chart shows that the health transition began at different times in different world regions; Oceania began to see increases in life expectancy around 1870, while Africa didn’t begin to see increases until around 1920.
          Since then life expectancy doubled in all world regions.
          • In Oceania life expectancy increased from 35 years before the health transition to 79 years in 2019.
          • In Europe from 34 to 79 years.
          • In the Americas from 35 to 77 years.
          • In Asia from 27.5 to 73.6.
          • And in Africa from 26 years to 63 years.
          Globally the life expectancy increased from an average of 29 to 73 years in 2019.
          https://ourworldindata.org/life-expectancy

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      • rhymeswithgoalie Says:

        July 23, 2021 at 10:22 pm

        [Comment nesting issues.]

        Why should anyone bring up sea water acidification when it isn’t happening?

        You don’t know that the measured increase in atmospheric CO2 reacts at the sea surface to form carbonic acid? If you’re just pretending to be this ignorant to annoy me I’m going to ask the moderator to block your dishonest ass.

        From: https://www.noaa.gov/education/resource-collections/ocean-coasts/ocean-acidification

        In the 200-plus years since the industrial revolution began, the concentration of carbon dioxide (CO2) in the atmosphere has increased due to human actions. During this time, the pH of surface ocean waters has fallen by 0.1 pH units. This might not sound like much, but the pH scale is logarithmic, so this change represents approximately a 30 percent increase in acidity.

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        • John Swallow Says:

          July 24, 2021 at 12:46 am

          rhymeswithgoalie Says: “If you’re just pretending to be this ignorant to annoy me I’m going to ask the moderator to block your dishonest ass.” I have no idea what you are talking about when you do what alarmist are great at and that is calling anyone who has facts that do not agree with their unsubstantiated nonsense to be “ignorant” & “dishonest” when I supply links to allow anyone to verify where my information derived from. What follows is from your recommended site;
          “The pH scale
          The pH scale runs from 0 to 14, with 7 being a neutral pH. Anything higher than 7 is basic (or alkaline) and anything lower than 7 is acidic. The pH scale is an inverse of hydrogen ion concentration, so more hydrogen ions translates to higher acidity and a lower pH.”

          Also from the questionable NOAA site; “The ocean’s average pH is now around 8.1, which is basic (or alkaline), but as the ocean continues to absorb more CO2, the pH decreases and the ocean becomes more acidic”. So, if the ocean’s average pH is now around 8.1, then how in hell can we be asked to imagine that it is acidic when it is not even a neutral pH of 7? Then this ignorant comment to make by someone wanting others to believe that the ocean is becoming more acidic; “…but as the ocean continues to absorb more CO2, the pH decreases and the ocean becomes more acidic”. Aren’t we being told that the oceans are getting warmer by these same people? “As deep water comes to the surface it will warm and release carbon dioxide. As it moves to high latitudes, it will cool again and take up carbon dioxide, more so if it is now colder”, i.e., warm water gives off CO₂ & cold water absorbs CO₂.

          The other thing that is not mentioned with all of this ocean acidification garbage is what it the base line for measuring the ocean’s pH since the pH scale was not invented until 1909?

          “The concept of p[H] was first introduced by Danish chemist Søren Peder Lauritz Sørensen at the Carlsberg Laboratory in 1909 and revised to the modern pH in 1924 to accommodate definitions and measurements in terms of electrochemical cells. In the first papers, the notation had the “H” as a subscript to the lowercase “p”, as so: pH.”

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          • rhymeswithgoalie Says:

            July 24, 2021 at 2:50 am

            Acidification: Making a substance more acidic. Lowering its pH.

            A lot of ocean life (shellfish, forams) depends on a basic (higher pH) solution to help in the formation of calcium carbonate. The more acidic the water becomes, the more difficult it is to form protective shells or tests. Oyster farmers are already noticing high mortality for “oyster seed” because they have trouble making the shells they need to thrive.

            And yes the colder Arctic waters are seeing the greatest amount of acidification. Coral reefs in warm seas are instead being killed (bleaching) by higher water temperatures.

            The other thing that is not mentioned with all of this ocean acidification garbage is what it the base line for measuring the ocean’s pH since the pH scale was not invented until 1909?

            What the fuck does the year that the pH scale was established have to do with ocean chemistry? You’re happy to accept temperature data from before Fahrenheit was even born.

  4. John Swallow Says:

    July 24, 2021 at 12:00 am

    rhymeswithgoalie Says: “Human civilization developed within a small band of planetary climates and temperatures” and that is all true and all of those areas were warm with a temperate climate. In other words, civilization did not develop in the arctic but in areas such as where the temperatures are warm, such as Egypt, Mesopotamia and the Yucatan Peninsula.
    rhymeswithgoalie Says: “The Little Ice Age did not affect the whole planet” and then he displays a phony graph that shows Mann’s debunked hockey stick.
    5.1.1.7 The Little Ice Age (1300 A.D. to the 20th Century)
    Winters during the Little Ice Age were bitterly cold in many parts of the world. Advance of glaciers in the Swiss Alps in the mid-17th century gradually encroached on farms and buried entire villages. The Thames River and canals and rivers of the Netherlands frequently froze over during the winter. New York Harbor froze in the winter of 1780 and people could walk from Manhattan to Staten Island. Sea ice surrounding Iceland extended for miles in every direction, closing many harbors. The population of Iceland decreased by half and the Viking colonies in Greenland died out in the 1400s because they could no longer grow enough food there. In parts of China, warm weather crops that had been grown for centuries were abandoned. In North America, early European settlers experienced exceptionally severe winters. https://www.sciencedirect.com/topics/earth-and-planetary-sciences/medieval-warm-period

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  5. J4Zonian Says:

    July 24, 2021 at 5:02 am

    My comments are repeatedly not posting. It’s happened about a dozen times in the last week or so. Some of them were short; most had no links. Is there a problem?

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    • jimbills Says:

      July 24, 2021 at 3:21 pm

      I think some keywords get blocked. I’m not sure Peter is doing it, either. Every time I’ve mentioned Dr. Heigh-ho (with her real last name spelled correctly) in a comment, it just disappears. It’s happened to me 4-5 times. I finally gave up ever mentioning her.

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      • J4Zonian Says:

        July 24, 2021 at 6:32 pm

        Gosh, you’re right. Can’t say it.

        Grist did this. It’s ridiculous. You could commit all kinds of crimes and express all kinds of horrible views but you couldn’t point out that people were committing those crimes, or name them–fascism, racism, Nazism… The autocensor was even individually tailored–I could say communist but right wingers couldn’t. As with yours, creative spelling ensued. Fazz shism, etc.

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        • John Swallow Says:

          July 25, 2021 at 7:18 am

          J4Zonian Says: “You could commit all kinds of crimes and express all kinds of horrible views but you couldn’t point out that people were committing those crimes, or name them–fascism, racism, Nazism…”. It is doubtful that J4Zonian fully understands what ‘Nazi’ stands for; “The National Socialist German Workers’ Party, or Nazi Party, grew into a mass movement and ruled Germany through totalitarian means from 1933 to 1945 under the leadership of Adolf Hitler”

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  6. J4Zonian Says:

    July 24, 2021 at 5:11 am

    Breathing Polluted Air Shortens People’s Lives by an Average of 3 Years, a New Study Finds
    Pollution, primarily from fossil fuels, was linked to more premature deaths than smoking, HIV/AIDS, malaria and even war, the researchers found.
    https://insideclimatenews.org/news/04032020/air-pollution-shortens-life-expectency-fossil-fuel/https://insideclimatenews.org/news/04032020/air-pollution-shortens-life-expectency-fossil-fuel/

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    • John Swallow Says:

      July 24, 2021 at 9:56 pm

      J4Zonian Says: “Breathing Polluted Air Shortens People’s Lives by an Average of 3 Years, a New Study Finds”, using a slanted piece that is a unrealistic as what ‘it’ is. This is what life was like when there were NO fossil fuels used and it was much colder than what it is now & it would be great if J4Zonian could try to exist like that today.
      “For most people there was often not enough to eat and life expectancy was relatively short since many children died. According to records of the royal family of the Kingdom of England, among the best cared for in society, the average life expectancy in 1276 was 35.28 years. Between 1301 and 1325 during the Great Famine it was 29.84, while between 1348 and 1375, during the Black Death and subsequent plagues, it dropped to only 17.33.”
      http://www.halinaking.co.uk/Location/Yorkshire/Frames/History/1315%20Great%20Famine/Great%20Famine.htm

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    • John Swallow Says:

      July 24, 2021 at 10:22 pm

      If J4Zonian is so concerned about the use of fossil fuels, then they are obviously free to not appear to be hypocritical and just not use any the products of fossil fuels, such as for the production of electricity, for transportation, for home heating, for agricultural use, for steel making, for the production of chemicals that are in ever day use and a list too long to list here.
      I do wish that J4Zonian could answer my request for the empirical experiment, that is repeatable, that demonstrates that the essential for all terrestrial life on Earth trace gas, that makes up only between .03-.04% of the Earth’s atmosphere and is 1.6 times heavier than that rest of the atmosphere, CO₂, has the ability to change the Earth’s climate.
      “The growth of knowledge depends entirely on disagreement” Karl Popper
      “Skepticism is the highest of duties; blind faith the unpardonable sin.” Huxley

      It appears that it will be a very long time before J4Zonian will be able to try to exist in ‘its’ desired utopian world where no fossil fuels are used for anything.

      “It’s the total amount of fossil fuels we burn that matters – and we continue to burn more each year
      But, actually, we’re still fooling ourselves a bit in looking at this progress through the lens of what share of our energy is low-carbon.
      When it comes to greenhouse gas emissions, the atmosphere does not care about shares, only absolutes. That is what ultimately determines the amount of CO2 we emit, and the rate at which it accumulates in the atmosphere.
      Global energy consumption is not stagnant, but growing. And in the past years it has been growing too quickly for renewables and nuclear to keep up.
      In the chart here we see primary energy consumption in absolute terms for each source. We continue to produce more energy from fossil fuels – particularly oil and gas – each year.12
      Low-carbon energy is certainly growing across the world – undoubtedly a sign of progress.
      Decarbonization is happening. But not nearly fast enough. To achieve the necessary progress that matters for the climate we need to see its growth not only meet our new energy demands each year, but start displacing existing fossil fuels in the energy mix at a much faster rate.”
      https://ourworldindata.org/energy-mix

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  7. dumboldguy Says:

    July 25, 2021 at 10:09 am

    I am so Freaking tired of looking at John-Swallow-Regurgitate-Puke’s bullshit. If Peter won’t ban him for cluttering up the site with denialist lies, why don’t we all just stop reading his crap and responding to it beyond a “GO AWAY”. How about it RWJ and JeffyZ?—–I’m sure both of you can find intelligent comments to respond to.

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    • jimbills Says:

      July 25, 2021 at 1:47 pm

      No response at all would be best – dnftt. Seriously, we’re giving him the benefit of the doubt that that’s real name, when he’s anything but honest and sincere, he’s clearly enjoying riling individual commenters up, and his name implies a sexual act. Even ‘go away’ would be satisfactory to him – it implies agitation on our part, which is what he wants.

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      • J4Zonian Says:

        July 25, 2021 at 3:44 pm

        To reply politely, thinking facts will make any difference, is to lose. A troll can toss out half a dozen lies while it typically takes a long involved response to answer just one accurately. To answer impolitely is to tarnish the entire comment section and make people turn away, reducing the information they get from honest commenters. to ignore the trolls is to fill the comment sections with utter garbage, disinforming people and again, depriving them of the extra information they can get from comments. There is no good way to respond or not respond to the trolls; once they comment we’ve lost. The only way to win is to delete their comments and ban them, denying them yet another forum for their lies. Until that happens, I’ll continue to counter their bullshi† with truth, including inoculating readers by pointing out the techniques the trolls use to lie.

        ………………

        People can also get the free Cranky Uncle on their phone to learn more about techniques of deception used by trolls including right wing media and politicians in both parties. Even better is Climate Denial 101, free self-paced online course from John Cook at the U of Q. Many great short videos by scientists
        https://www.skepticalscience.com/denial101x-videos-and-references.html
        ………………

        More accurate information about climate and energy than you’ll get from trolls:

        Skeptical Science; best debunkers of climate disinformation; I wish they would start doing renewable energy.

        David Roberts at Volts.
        Kevin Anderson of the Tyndall Centre for Climate Change
        Inside Climate News, though unrealistically tepid on politics, has Dan Gearino’s Inside Clean Energy email newsletter Thursdays.
        Ramez Naam
        Tony Seba
        Yale Climate Communication project
        potholer54 videos debunking deniers of various kinds
        Dave Borlace, Just Have a Think
        Zach and Jesse
        Cleantechnica is obsessed with EVs, especially Tesla, but also does RE

        The Climate Mobilization
        Climate Code Red/Breakthrough (Australia! not US)
        and of course, here at Crock of the Week

        Chris (Republican War on Science) Mooney, George Monbiot, Eric Holthaus, (at the Correspondent) Elizabeth Kolbert, Rebecca Solnit, Naomi Oreskes

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        • jimbills Says:

          July 25, 2021 at 4:11 pm

          If Americans and especially the media had done the same with Trump in 2016, we’d have avoided the national tragedy of being held hostage to one man’s ego for 4+ years. The thing these guys want MOST is attention. It doesn’t matter what form it takes – good or bad. Telling them they’re wrong just convinces them further they are right and gives them the validation and attention they want, and they’ll continue harping on after you in an endless loop. Ignore them, and they’ll go away. DNFTT.

          The readers here have enough sense to understand that singular past weather events (which is 90% of this guy is saying) have nothing to do with temperature and climate trends measured globally backed by 100+ years of confirmed scientific theory. He doesn’t need to be refuted, especially not here. His commenter name implies what he wants.

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          • dumboldguy Says:

            July 25, 2021 at 5:16 pm

            Why in this little corner of the blogosphere do we have to concern ourselves with “politeness”? JS has certainly never been polite with us. I am not in the least “agitated” with JS—-my feelings are are akin to stepping on a small dog turd—-a small annoyance.

            People like him deserve a GFYS and to be called a sorry POS or worse. I will remain “polite” and merely say GO AWAY.

            And what worlds did some of you grow up in to be so concerned about being polite to a POS (sorry, I slipped) like JS? Ever been in the military? Ever played contact sports? I grew up in NO NJ, and if JS spouted his BS in any public setting, he would have had the s**t slapped out of him too many times to count. We were polite to people who were polite to us—-anyone like JS that crossed the line so flagrantly would have paid the price.

          • jimbills Says:

            July 25, 2021 at 5:25 pm

            I’m not saying we should either polite or impolite. I’m saying we should ignore him completely. The guy is troll – and what’s more than that – he’s not even a good one. This is all basic stuff we already know and simple-minded logic errors on his part – a classic Dunning-Kruger case. Ignore him, and he’ll go away to some other place where he can get attention. Or don’t ignore him, call him anything you’d like, and he’ll just continue here.

          • J4Zonian Says:

            July 26, 2021 at 4:41 pm

            You’re right. Answering in any way is a bad thing to do. But not answering is a bad thing to do, too. Once the comment is made and is left there, there are no moves but bad ones. I think it’s worse to leave lies unanswered. Plus I take every chance I get to practice communicating my message. I’ve written about some things so often—China, the general climate situation, (race between climate effects and social uprising leading to implementation of solutions) or countries doing the best with RE, eg, that I can give an interesting, impromptu talk of any length on at least a dozen related topics.

            Whether Swallows actually believes the crap s/he’s selling or not, whether s/he thinks s/he’s here out of ideology or just to cause a ruckus, Swallows will likely die unrepentant, no matter what happens. It’s essentially impossible to tell for sure whether someone is lying about themselves online, and completely impossible to do psychotherapy online with an unwilling person who hates and despises you or is that disruptive just for the sake of it. I’m not trying to convince Swallows and I’m not trying to find out why s/he’s doing what s/he’s doing. S/he doesn’t know, and will only lie, forever. (To his or herself or us or more likely all of the above)

            I’m correcting disinformation for others. We’ve had decades of denial and lies, often the most idiotic nonsense imaginable, and it’s worked! It’s given cover to politicians and corporations to make more money and solidify their power, privilege and dominance, and it’s confused enough people and caused enough doubt that we’ve done nothing for 40 years, and now face more-than-likely global destruction, still with almost no possibility for meaningful action in the foreseeable future. The US has 2 halves of a denying delayalist party, and of the 536 people with non-judicial power in the federal government, about 520 of them are denying delayalists. That’s being optimistic. And it’’s largely because the trolls tell lies that anyone with any sense and knowledge knows are lies.

            In fact, that’s the point for some of them, to be able to effectively spread utter nonsense is a confirmation of their power. The more ridiculous, the stronger the proof. The only answers are 1. to ban and delete them, 2. to educate every way and at every moment possible, and 3. to take political power so we can deny them the money, and fora for their lies.

            I Tried to Make Claims About Election Fraud So Preposterous Trump Fans Wouldn’t Believe Me. It Was Impossible.
            I was acting as Trump and his minions do: free to say anything, no matter how ridiculous, with no basis in observable fact.
            July 21 2021
            https://theintercept.com/2021/07/21/election-fraud-trump-preposterous/?utm_medium=email&utm_source=The%20Intercept%20Newsletter

    • John Swallow Says:

      July 25, 2021 at 10:42 pm

      It is amazing at how agitated that the apply named ‘dumboldguy’ allows its self to become when I post the truth that is backed up with links to the source of the valid information on whatever I put forth on this site. Where in the ‘comment’ that dumboldguy issued that I now respond to is there any mention of the actual subject of this thread; “The New Normal is Now No Normal”? I would hope that the ‘dumboldguy’ could someday come to understand what this very intelligent man was saying and meaning when he state this; “The growth of knowledge depends entirely on disagreement” — Karl Popper

      “Karl Popper is generally regarded as one of the greatest philosophers of science of the twentieth century. He was also a social and political philosopher of considerable stature, a self-professed critical-rationalist, a dedicated opponent of all forms of scepticism and relativism in science and in human affairs generally and a committed advocate and staunch defender of the “Open Society”. “

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