How the Euro-Flood Happened

July 16, 2021

Jason Samenow in the Washington Post:

The death toll in Germany and Belgium has topped 115 as the recovery begins from a devastating, historic flood that ravaged Central Europe between Tuesday and Thursday. That number is expected to rise as many people remain unaccounted for and rescuers are just beginning to access regions that were cut off by floodwaters.

The flood disaster resulted from an unusual combination of weather factors that conspired to produce exceptional rainfall.

In short, a storm system or zone of low pressure over Central Europe, named “Bernd,” became trapped between flanking areas of high pressure to the west and east. The low-pressure zone, which tapped tropical moisture from the Mediterranean, unloaded bursts of torrential rain over two to three days. And human-caused climate change may have played a role by increasing the intensity and duration of the event.

In the hardest-hit parts of Germany, two months’ worth of rain fell in 24 hours, according to the Deutscher Wetterdienst, Germany’s meteorological agency. A map tweeted by the agency revealed that it was a 1-in-100-year deluge over a large swath of western Germany, or one that has just a 1 percent chance of occurring in any given year.

Numerous locations in western Germany received 5 to 7 inches of rain, with locally higher amounts, between Tuesday and Thursday. Some of the most extreme downpours occurred Wednesday night into Thursday, when more than a half-foot of rain fell in less than 12 hours. Here are some select totals from western Germany:

  • Reifferscheid received 8.1 inches in just 9 hours, according to CNN.
  • Cologne received 6 inches in the 24 hours ending Thursday morning, according to CNN.
  • Lüdenscheid received 4.5 inches of rain in 24 hours, according to Deutscher Wetterdienst.
  • Düsseldorf received 1.89 inches in 12 hours Tuesday night into Wednesday, according to AccuWeather. Its three-day (between early Tuesday morning and early Thursday morning) total was 5.6 inches.

Heavy rain not only affected Germany but also Belgium, the Netherlands, Luxembourg and France.

The deluge unfolded as a plume of deep moisture, sourced from the Mediterranean, surged into Central Europe on Tuesday and Wednesday. A high-pressure zone over the eastern Atlantic, off France and the United Kingdom, acted as a pump, steering the moisture plume through France into Belgium, the Netherlands and Germany.

The high-pressure system over the Atlantic was flanked by an unusually intense zone of low pressure to the east over Central Europe that helped generate the downpours. The low was sandwiched between another area of high pressure over Eastern Europe, creating a weather system traffic jam that allowed heavy rain to persist.

Computer models showed that the amount of moisture in the atmosphere, or a quantity known as total precipitable water, was comparable to those seen along the U.S. Gulf Coast during hurricane landfalls.

Before the torrents, Deutscher Wetterdienst had warned that weather models were predicting extreme amounts of precipitation in some areas.

The intensity of rain overwhelmed local rivers that flow into the Rhine River basin, and the volume of water overflowed several dams.

Much of the rain over Central Europe has ended as the high-pressure zone over the eastern Atlantic has extended further over the continent, pushing the low-pressure zone southward.

The exceptional intensity of the rainfall is consistent with what scientists anticipate with rising temperatures caused by human-induced climate change. Higher temperatures speed up evaporation, placing more water in the atmosphere for the kind of downpours that have occurred.

recent study in the Journal of Climate anticipates “large magnitude increases” in extreme precipitation in much of Europe in the coming decades.

55 Responses to “How the Euro-Flood Happened”

  1. dumboldguy Says:

    “The exceptional intensity of the rainfall is consistent with what scientists anticipate with rising temperatures caused by human-induced climate change. Higher temperatures speed up evaporation, placing more water in the atmosphere for the kind of downpours that have occurred”.

    “A recent study in the Journal of Climate anticipates “large magnitude increases” in extreme precipitation in much of Europe in the coming decades”.

    Why has no one told us about this before?

  2. John Swallow Says:

    I can wonder at why dumboldguy doesn’t know about tis valid information that shows that the
    Earth’s temperature is not rising like he wants to believe that it is?

    The Earth’s Temperature
    Currently: 57.01°F/13.89°C
    Deviation: -0.19°F/-0.11°C
    Stations processed last hour: 64947
    Last station processed: Somerset, United States
    Update time: 2021-07-17 01:42:02 UTC

    [Please make a note of the years when the T is below normal]
    Currently: 57.04°F/13.91°C
    Deviation: -0.16°F/-0.09°C
    Stations processed last hour: 58204
    Last station processed: Talkeetna, United States
    Update time: 2021-07-06 05:22:49 UTC

    Previous Years
    The recorded global temperature for previous years:
    2015 average: 0.98 °F (0.54 °C) below normal
    2016 average: 0.48 °F (0.27 °C) below normal
    2017 average: 0.47 °F (0.26 °C) below normal
    2018 average: 1.33 °F (0.74 °C) below normal
    2019 average: 0.65 °F (0.36 °C) below normal
    2020 average: 0.00 °F (0.00 °C) below normal

    • John Swallow Says:

    • jimbills Says:

      Wondered where you pulled that hilarity out of, as you didn’t give a website for it, but I found it here:
      https://temperature.global/

      The one link to the authors is a deleted Parler account. Other than that, it’s accreditation is completely generic: “This site was created by professional meteorologists and climatologists with over 25 years experience in surface weather observations.”

      That’s helpful.

      And it’s conclusions are completely counter to every other credited and credible source. For instance, it claims it is using NOAA data (all four sources are NOAA), but here is what NOAA itself shows:
      https://www.ncdc.noaa.gov/cag/global/time-series/globe/land_ocean/ytd/12/1880-2020

      Statistically, one trick your website claims it is doing is drawing their deviation to the mean of the last 30 years, as opposed to the mean of the 20th century, as NOAA is doing. The most recent 30 years would naturally show less of a deviation. They are doing some other trick as well, though, because there’s no way 2016 was negative compared to even the 30 year mean.

      Also, your site says it’s the mean of last 30 years of data, and it lists METAR and MADIS as main sources, but those sources only have access to that data from 2001 to now, and they didn’t really have global coverage until 2006.

      • rhymeswithgoalie Says:

        Hey, who you gonna believe? Him, or your own eyes?

      • John Swallow Says:

        I am so sorry that jimbills had to go to extreme measures to find the link to the valid information that I had submitted. I had included the link both in the original post and also in the abbreviated one that followed; but it did not appear. This information from this site well corresponds to the information that the Global Temperature site put forth.

        UAH Global Temperature Update for June 2021: -0.01 deg. C
        July 2nd, 2021
        The Version 6.0 global average lower tropospheric temperature (LT) anomaly for June, 2021 was -0.01 deg. C, down from the May, 2021 value of +0.08 deg.

        http://www.drroyspencer.com/

        • rhymeswithgoalie Says:

          Dr. Roy Spencer, the Intelligent Design bullshit artist?

          Dr. Roy Spencer, who worked with John Christy on a screwed up satellite-measured temperature model (to “prove” the earth was cooling) three* times.

          Dr. Roy Spencer, who signed a declaration that he would not accept any science that contradicted his religious views, which is the very antithesis of being a scientist?.

          Roy Spencer has strong negative credibility with me.
          ________
          *Including the gross error of getting the sign wrong on the term that represented the day/night cycle.

      • John Swallow Says:

        jimbills Says: “Statistically, one trick your website claims it is doing is drawing their deviation to the mean of the last 30 years, as opposed to the mean of the 20th century, as NOAA is doing. The most recent 30 years would naturally show less of a deviation”. Michael Mann is the one who likes to use ‘tricks’. I deal in facts, such as what I now submit for your enjoyment and your reply should be interesting.

        jimbills needs to understand that of the 50 states in the union, 25 states have record highs temperatures from the period 1930-1937.
        Arkansas, Colorado, Delaware, Florida, Hawaii, Idaho, Indiana, Iowa, Kansas, Kentucky, Louisiana, Michigan, Mississippi,
        Montana, Nebraska, New Jersey, North Dakota, Ohio, Oklahoma, Pennsylvania, South Dakota, Tennessee, Texas, West Virginia & Wisconsin adds up to 25 states whose record HIGH have all occurred between 1930 & 1936.

        OK, jimbills, here are the states who set records & can he answer why the records set for High temperatures in these 25 states occurred between 1930 & 1936. jimbills will not be able to answer why and how these 13 states listed below had their record highs occur BEFORE 1930 & 1936, such as; Alaska, California, Connecticut, Maine, Maryland, Minnesota, Montana, New Hampshire, New York, Oregon, Vermont, Virginia & Washington.
        The above in formation came from this source: http://www.ncdc.noaa.gov/extremes/scec/records

        A total of fourteen states set record highs in 1936 that obviously still stand. They occurred from July 5th to August 10th although July 10th has four of the records for high temperature in include Maryland which tied the record set in July 3, 1898 of 109°F, the rest that set records that year are New Jersey, Penn. & Virginia.

        • jimbills Says:

          So, you didn’t refute a single point in my first comment here. You just threw out new BS. Single temperature high recordings by state aren’t relevant to your original point, which was the average temperature globally by year – a measurement far more effective at gauging the effects of climate change.

          1936 in the U.S. saw a freak weather event:
          https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1936_North_American_heat_wave

          But – the average temperature is really what is needed to gauge the greenhouse effect. Regionally, here’s an average by year for the U.S. (not as important or relevant as global averages, but it’s a better representative than individual records):
          https://www.epa.gov/climate-indicators/climate-change-indicators-high-and-low-temperatures

          You can see there how 1936 spiked, it dropped immediately after that, and it’s been rising consistently since that time.

          Look – I know you’re a troll. Your response is going to be to gish gallop further. I won’t respond again.

          • John Swallow Says:

            jimbills didn’t refute a single point in my comments regarding 25 states having record high temperatures from the period 1930-1937 or how these 13 states had their record highs occur before 1930 & 1936. A total of fourteen states set record highs in 1936 and that seems to be irrelevant to jimbills, who is content to provide me with trash from Wikipedia about the 1936 heat wave because he could not go to a reputable sources, such as what I now present to jimbills.

            Heatwave of July 1936
            Overview
            The “Dust Bowl” years of 1930-36 brought some of the hottest summers on record to the United States, especially across the Plains, Upper Midwest and Great Lake States. For the Upper Mississippi River Valley, the first few weeks of July 1936 provided the hottest temperatures of that period, including many all-time record highs (see tab below).
            The string of hot, dry days was also deadly. Nationally, around 5000 deaths were associated with the heat wave.
            In La Crosse, WI, there were 14 consecutive days (July 5th-18th) where the high temperature was 90 degrees or greater, and 9 days that were at or above 100°F. Six record July temperatures set during this time still stand, including the hottest day on record with 108°F on the 14th. The average high temperature for La Crosse during this stretch of extreme heat was 101°F, and the mean temperature for the month finished at 79.5°F – 2nd highest on record. https://www.weather.gov/arx/heat_jul36

          • John Swallow Says:

            jimbills Says: “You can see there how 1936 spiked, it dropped immediately after that, and it’s been rising consistently since that time” which is untrue as is shown by opening
            Figure 3. U.S. Annual Heat Wave Index, 1895–2020

            Figure 3. U.S. Annual Heat Wave Index, 1895–2020
            https://www.epa.gov/climate-indicators/climate-change-indicators-heat-waves#%20

          • John Swallow Says:

            jimbills Says: “You just threw out new BS. Single temperature high recordings by state aren’t relevant to your original point, which was the average temperature globally by year – a measurement far more effective at gauging the effects of climate change.”
            The main point that logical people ascertain is that CO₂ has basically nothing to do with the Earth’s temperature if one notes the dates that these high temperatures were set around the planet.

            What follows are world record high temperatures:
            North America (U.S.), Death Valley, Calif.; July 10, 1913 (134F)
            Asia; Tirat Tsvi, Israel, June 21, 1942, (129F):
            Australia ,Cloncurry, Queensland; Jan. 16, 1889 (128F):
            Europe, Seville, Spain, Aug. 4, 1881 (122F):
            South America, Rivadavia, Argentina; Dec. 11, 1905 (120F):
            Canada, Midale and Yellow Grass, Saskatchewan, Canada; July 5, 1937 (113F):
            Oceania; Tuguegarao, Philippines, April 29, 1912 (108F):
            Persian Gulf (sea-surface): Aug. 5, 1924 (96F):
            Antarctica; Vanda Station, Scott Coast, Jan. 5, 1974 (59F):
            South Pole, Dec. 27, 1978, (7.5F).
            Highest average annual mean temperature (world): Dallol, Ethiopia (Oct. 1960 Dec. 1966), 94° F.
            Longest hot spell (world): Marble Bar, W. Australia, 100° F (or above) for 162 consecutive days, Oct. 30, 1923 to Apr. 7, 1924. Notice anything regarding the dates of these records? Anyone heard of the dust bowl & wasn’t that in the 30s
            http://www.infoplease.com/ipa/A0001375.html

          • rhymeswithgoalie Says:

            Pulling out the chart of land area of contiguous 48 affected by high heat:

            What’s tougher on vegetation (crops) and wildlife is the increasing area with high overnight lows.

        • rhymeswithgoalie Says:

          This issue isn’t peak highs from a long time ago (like historic tsunamis), but the much more frequent highs worldwide in the past couple of decades. What’s the area under the curve?

          We know about other mechanisms that affect global temperatures, like changes in solar activity, sun-blocking by short-term aerosols (whether industrial sulfates or Pinatubo-like eruptions) or regional temperatures (deforestation, desertification from overgrazing*+ drought).

          BTW: The area of the fifty United States is 2% of the area of the planet.

          ________
          *In the 1930’s Dust Bowl in the US, replace “overgrazing” with “plowing up the prairies”.

          • J4Zonian Says:

            You keep beating me to saying things, rhymes.

            Mr. or Ms. Swallows is of course, cherry picking, yes. (And lying in numerous other ways, but maybe we’ll get to that eventually.) The US is, as RWG says—2% of the land area of the world. The crisis is not called US warming, or local warming, or some states’ warming.

            The global nature of it, of course, is why it’s called global warming.

            After 40 years of trying to chip away at the edges of climate science with assertions like this ridiculous argument—amounting to absolutely nothing—and having had it debunked literally hundreds of thousands of times, it really is flabbergasting how phenomenally stupid trolls like Swallows are, if they think it will work this time. Presumably s/he doesn’t; s/he’s either just getting paid for it, (and is terrible at it), or s/he’s just trying to stir up trouble by deliberately going for the most absurd arguments they can find.

            Nothing we say will have the slightest effect on this robotic lie generator.

            “In a stable climate, the ratio of new record highs to new record lows is approximately even. However in our warming climate, record highs have begun to outpace record lows, with the imbalance growing for the past three decades. This trend is one of the clearest signals of climate change that we experience directly.”

            climatesignals[DOT]org/data/record-high-temps-vs-record-low-temps

            And…Roy Spencer???? RUKM? Of course Swallows is shunting us toward some lying right wing psychopath who twists science to push his ideological and economic agenda. He’s a radical right small government ass abusing science to reach foregone conclusions, and projecting his faults onto those who aren’t.

            Spencer’s the alarmist, dismissing overwhelming evidence for climate catastrophe with no credible evidence at all of his own, insisting that avoiding climate catastrophe will devastate the economy. The only economy it will devastate is that of fossil fuel CEOs and the right wing. But denying delayalists are stuck with insane lying morons like Spencer; there’s no one credible left to take the crap side of the argument.

            Almost every word out of Spencer’s mouth is a lie; he’s notorious for denying climate reality. He’s associated with the CORNWALL ALLIANCE, fer Ahriman’s sake! That’s a collection of the most ridiculous reality-challenged right wing religious anti-nature nutcases in the western world, so deluded they believe (or are willing to say) environmental activists are the biggest threat to civilization.
            Then there are Roy’s speeches etc. to the Heritage Foundation and his many irrational pronouncements on the topic…

            Spencer: “I view my job a little like a legislator, supported by the taxpayer, to protect the interests of the taxpayer and to minimize the role of government.”

            skepticalscience[DOT]com/nazis-shoddy-science-contrarian-credibility-gap.html

            Andy Dessler debunking the comedy duo of Christy & Spencer:

            climatecrocks[DOT]com/2020/03/28/the-weekend-wonk-andy-desslers-critique-of-roy-spencer/

            December 8, 2016
            Spencer: “Global warming is not something that anybody will ever feel in their lifetime.”

            Oops.

            2016
            Spencer: “Besides, if global warming is settled science, like gravity or the Earth not being flat, why isn’t the agreement 100%? And since when is science settled by a survey or a poll? The hallmark of a good scientific theory is its ability to make good predictions.”

            Climate consensus is virtually 100%, with a few holdouts like Spencer paid by fossil fuel corporations to lie, using all the same techniques, the same PR firms, the same arguments, word for word, as they were using 40 years ago. The same tactics as on tobacco, evolution, and the rest of the Republican war on science.* Scientific consensus of course does not consist of polls. Spencer knows that; it consists of such a preponderance of evidence and a failure of every alternative explanation to such a degree that no credible scientist can disagree any more. We reached that point decades ago in admission that the Earth is warming, it’s caused by humans, and it threatens civilization and nature—in the mid 80s?—but the waters have been muddied as far as public understanding of that with the billions of dollars spent by fossil fuel and other corporations and the far right supporting lies and government takeovers. Spencer knows all this but continues to lie for money and ideology.

            Predictions are made by fortune tellers. Projections are frequently used by science, and the projections made as part of climate science (usually as groups of scenarios expressing different input assumptions) have turned out to be remarkably accurate. In fact the IPCC has come out exactly on the mark or understating climate changes 20 times more often than it’s overestimated them. Predictions made by climate denying delayalists, otoh, are ridiculously, wildly inaccurate, and all the bets I know of offered by people who accept the science have either been refused by deniers or settled in favor of warming.

            Most Accurate Models Predict Highest Climate Warming
            climatecrocks[DOT]com/2017/12/18/most-accurate-models-predict-highest-climate-warming/

            The difference between scenarios, projections, predictions and (weather) forecasts
            climate4impact[DOT]eu/impactportal/help/faq.jsp?q=scenarios_projections_predictions_forecasts

            Scientists amazed as Canadian permafrost thaws 70 years early

            reuters[DOT]com/article/us-climate-change-permafrost/scientists-amazed-as-canadian-permafrost-thaws-70-years-early-idUSKCN1TJ1XN

            
”Scientists amazed as…” We’ve heard phrases like that hundreds of times over the last few decades—almost every time a new study of ice melt anywhere, for example, adds new scientific measurements to the accumulating data, AKA facts.

            youtube[DOT]com/watch?v=UVz67cwmxTM

            potholer talks about predictions:
            youtube[DOT]com/watch?v=ugwqXKHLrGk

            Checkmate: how do climate deniers’ predictions stack up?

            theguardian[DOT]com/environment/planet-oz/2017/dec/19/checkmate-how-do-climate-science-deniers-predictions-stack-up 


            David Evans (Jo Nova’s husband) makes a prediction. And another. and another… Oops.

            blog[DOT]hotwhopper.com/2016/02/another-cool-prediction-from-force-x.html

            2015
            Spencer: “We have no idea what’s natural and what’s man [sic] made.There is no fingerprint of human-caused warming.”

            There are in fact many human fingerprints on climate catastrophe. And we have an excellent, accurate picture of what’s human-caused.

            skepticalscience[DOT]com/10-Indicators-of-a-Human-Fingerprint-on-Climate-Change.html

            The Skeptical Science website is an excellent source for rebuttals of all the common lies created by the lunatic right wing. People like Marc Morano [1] and Steve Milloy [2] have used focus groups to lie; others use bribery, campaign contributions, gerrymandering, voter suppression and other tactics, and a jackalpack of right wing “think tank” PR firms funneling billions of dollars to lie to the public about climate catastrophe. Swallows is just one more psychologically vulnerable cog in the denial machine.

            desmog[DOT]com/roy-spencer/
            [1] desmog[DOT]com/2013/09/10/climate-denial-playbook-marc-morano-s-history-bullying-scientists/
            [2] desmog[DOT]com/steve-milloy/

            and see the many other Desmog entries on Morano, Milloy, Spencer. and all the others guilty of lying about climate because of their emotional problems.

            See also:
            Merchants of Doubt: How a Handful of Scientists Obscured the Truth on Issues from Tobacco Smoke to Global Warming, by Naomi Oreskes, Erik M. Conway

            The Republican War on Science
            by Chris Mooney

      • John Swallow Says:

        I would certainly hope that you are able to notice the year that these records were set. It is very difficult to establish a temperature trend when both the high and lows were set in the same year in both North & South Dakota. It will be interesting to get a climate alarmist opinion regarding what roll that CO₂ in this all happening in 1936.

        South Dakota Maximum Temperature 120°F July 5, 1936 GANN VALLEY
        South Dakota Minimum Temperature -58°F February 17, 1936 MC INTOSH

        In Steele, North Dakota on July 6, 1936 the record HIGH Temperature for the state was 121⁰F.
        In Parshall, N. Dakota on Feb. 15, 1936 the record LOW Temperature for the state was -60⁰ F.
        http://www.ncdc.noaa.gov/extremes/scec/records

        • John Swallow Says:

          J4Zonian Says: “The global nature of it, of course, is why it’s called global warming”. How did J4Zonian miss this information from Dr. Roy Spencer?
          UAH Global Temperature Update for June 2021: -0.01 deg. C
          July 2nd, 2021
          The Version 6.0 global average lower tropospheric temperature (LT) anomaly for June, 2021 was -0.01 deg. C, down from the May, 2021 value of +0.08 deg.

          It is fair to wonder what the one who is not confident with their own comments to use their own name, like this full of hate individual, J4Zonian, is and if its qualifications compare to Dr. Roy Spencer’s?
          “Roy W. Spencer received his Ph.D. in meteorology at the University of Wisconsin-Madison in 1981. Before becoming a Principal Research Scientist at the University of Alabama in Huntsville in 2001, he was a Senior Scientist for Climate Studies at NASA’s Marshall Space Flight Center, where he and Dr. John Christy received NASA’s Exceptional Scientific Achievement Medal for their global temperature monitoring work with satellites. Dr. Spencer’s work with NASA continues as the U.S. Science Team leader for the Advanced Microwave Scanning Radiometer flying on NASA’s Aqua satellite. He has provided congressional testimony several times on the subject of global warming.
          Dr. Spencer’s research has been entirely supported by U.S. government agencies: NASA, NOAA, and DOE. He has never been asked by any oil company to perform any kind of service. Not even Exxon-Mobil.”
          http://www.drroyspencer.com/about/

          Does the one who uses a stupid alias such as J4Zonian, have a NASA’s Exceptional Scientific Achievement Medal for their global temperature monitoring work with satellites medal to hang on the wall of his cave?

    • rhymeswithgoalie Says:

      Oopsie, no citation!

      Arctic warming, Arctic Ocean summer sea ice (volume) going away, jet stream now broken (cf. record-smashing heat domes, polar-vortices and rain-trains).

      You know…visible reality.

      • John Swallow Says:

        Does rhymeswithgoalie wonder what was happening in the Arctic with the sea ice when this happened? These are documented facts.
        Arctic Ocean is warming up, icebergs are growing scarcer and in some places the seals are finding the water too hot, according to a report to the Commerce Department yesterday from Consul Ifft, at “The Bergen, Norway. Reports from fishermen, seal hunters and explorers, he declared, all point to a radical change in climate conditions and hitherto unheard-of temperatures in the Arctic zone.

        “The source report of the Washington Post article on changes in the arctic has been found in the Monthly Weather Review for November 1922. It is much more detailed than the Washington Post (Associated Press) article. It seems the AP heavily relied on the report from Norway Consulate George Ifft, which is shown below. See the original MWR article below and click the newsprint copy for a complete artic or see the link to the original PDF below:”
        http://www.sott.net/articles/show/200389-Flashback-1922-Extra-Extra-Read-all-about-it-Arctic-Ocean-Getting-Warm-Seals-Perish-Glaciers-and-Icebergs-Melt-

        • rhymeswithgoalie Says:

          Again with cherry-picked newspaper reports.

          Christophe Kinnard et al went over shipping company records that tracked sea ice extent. What was a relatively low ice extent in 1922 was still much higher than it is today.

          • J4Zonian Says:

            …and it was local not global. Both poles go through regular and irregular cycles of warmer and colder weather, they do it at opposite times on annual and often longer time scales. When the Arctic is warming, often the Antarctic is cooling, and vice versa. Throughout those variations, the world as a whole has been warming because of fossil fuel burning and other human activities that have to stop now. Other areas of the world are going through cycles independently from both. The world continues to warm—to be more chaotic and dangerous—because people like Swallows (only less impotent and pathetic than Swallows) continue to lie about climate and energy, in service of psychopaths.

            40 years this argument has been going on, and the mentally challenged trolls still don’t “get” the difference between local and global, weather and climate.

            Just how stupid, insane and dishonest are they?

  3. redskylite Says:

    Why do major media outlets not publish the Global Combined Land-Surface Air and Sea-Surface Water Temperature Anomalies from a reliable agency, such as NASA, NOAA, COPERNICUS or JMA monthly when they are released (and on the front page) also the Keeling Curb from NOAA or SCRIPPS. ? Surely it is newsworthy and the upward trend is very obvious and should end doubts about the effect of our GHG emissions, at least in most reasonable, rational, logical thinking persons.

    https://data.giss.nasa.gov/gistemp/

  4. redskylite Says:

    Newcastle University.

    “Investigating how climate affects intense rainstorms across Europe, climate experts have shown there will be a significant future increase in the occurrence of slow-moving intense rainstorms. The scientists estimate that these slow-moving storms may be 14 times more frequent across land by the end of the century.”

    https://www.ncl.ac.uk/press/articles/latest/2021/07/slow-movingstorms/

  5. jimbills Says:

    Here’s another one that wasn’t on my radar, but woah, it’d be a biggie – a larger Salton Sea scenario near a highly populated area:
    https://www.cnn.com/2021/07/17/us/great-salt-lake-drought-dying/index.html

  6. J4Zonian Says:

    mogreenstats[DOT]com/2018/02/15/the-second-warmest-year-ever/https://mogreenstats.com/2018/02/15/the-second-warmest-year-ever/

    Chris Vagasky wants to know if they ran out of blue ink.
    If only there were some sort of trend one could glean from this chart; an indication of some kind…
    Curt McCormick

    • John Swallow Says:

      One would not expect the one who will not use their real name for a reason, J4Zonian, to ever veer from the brainwashing that they have received about this hox called anthropogenic global warming to ever try to find actual scientific facts.
      “Climate change and the northern Russian tree line zone
      ABSTRACT
      The Russian treeline is a dynamic ecotone typified by steep gradients in summer temperature and regionally variable gradients in albedo and heat flux. The location of the treeline is largely controlled by summer temperatures and growing season length. Temperatures have responded strongly to twentieth-century global warming and will display a magnified response to future warming. Dendroecological studies indicate enhanced conifer recruitment during the twentieth century. However, conifers have not yet recolonized many areas where trees were present during the Medieval Warm period (ca AD 800–1300) or the Holocene Thermal Maximum (HTM; ca 10 000–3000 years ago). Reconstruction of tree distributions during the HTM suggests that the future position of the treeline due to global warming may approximate its former Holocene maximum position. An increased dominance of evergreen tree species in the northern Siberian forests may be an important difference between past and future conditions. Based on the slow rates of treeline expansion observed during the twentieth century, the presence of steep climatic gradients associated with the current Arctic coastline and the prevalence of organic soils, it is possible that rates of treeline expansion will be regionally variable and transient forest communities with species abundances different from today’s may develop.”
      https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2606780/

    • John Swallow Says:

      Checkmate: how do climate deniers’ predictions stack up?
      theguardian[DOT]com/environment/planet-oz/2017/dec/19/checkmate-how-do-climate-science-deniers-predictions-stack-up
      50 years of failed apocalyptic predictions
      December 03, 2019

      https://dwahts.blogspot.com/2019/12/50-years-of-failed-apocalyptic.html?m=1&fbclid=IwAR30X8CMf2PHTPujp72SvAODc9Oh70usBYR4cWb7exjjKAjP9NBidy7w1D0

      • J4Zonian Says:

        More garbage.

        It consists of:

        Problems that are currently in the process of getting worse, just as predicted (or projected) by people who obviously know better than Swallows or the lunatics s\he reveres.

        Popular publications getting it wrong.

        Picked cherries galore, immense trouble gone to to cherry pick according to the motivated reasoning (if you even call it that) of a serial liar in service of the oligarchic narcissistic psychopaths.

        Manipulated cherry picked data.

        Misquotes and other misrepresentations. Eg: “8 years left to save…” The lying psychopaths Swallows reveres want you to 1. not notice that Prince Charles is not a scientist, 2. think that means the left is claiming the world will end in 8 years, which is of course ridiculous and not at all what was meant. Having just a few years to fix things or else horrific changes will be inevitable and irreversible is true, what was meant, and the right wing aßholes know it.

        Right wing liars getting it wrong on purpose and minimizing serious problems in order to call the warnings about them alarmist. The idea of course, is to subtly, underhandedly, and unconsciously associate less dire problems and problems solved by the alarm of the magic combination of scientists, activists, aroused public, and government forced reluctantly to act by all those against the selfish and idelogical opposition by the lunatic right wing, and now forgotten because they were solved. Not nonexistent, not non-serious, just solved, by exactly the process the lunatic right wing now opposes on climate catastrophe. And everything else.

        A very few scientists getting it wrong back in the dark ages when we didn’t know for absolutely certain whether CO2 or aerosols were going to win out. Of course then as now the uncertainty lay mostly in what people were going to do, not inn our understanding of natural systems. Then, people passed clean air acts in Britain and the US and thus reduced aerosols, tilting the table the way it was going to go eventually anyway, toward warming by CO2. Then scientists did a whole lot more science—several hundred thousand more studies—and we got ever surer that SwallowsAnything is 100% wrong.

        And just outright lies.

        The whole absurd broadside shows nothing, proves nothing (except about Heller/Goddard/Steve/Tony et al.) and means nothing.

        And of course his or her whole thing was presented as a distraction from my pointing out truthfully that projections by climate scientists have been 1. overly optimistic, and yet 2. many, many times more accurate than predictions by the lying psychopaths of the Denialati.

        So why is Swallows doing this? What could possibly motivate someone to collaborate with psychopaths aiming to destroy civilization and most life on Earth?

    • rhymeswithgoalie Says:

      [Couldn’t reply to nested thread.]

      The US is, as RWG says—2% of the land area of the world.

      The fifty United States are 2% of the globe’s surface, including oceans.

      • John Swallow Says:

        rhymeswithgoalie Says: “The US is, as RWG says—2% of the land area of the world.
        The fifty United States are 2% of the globe’s surface, including oceans.” It appears that rhymeswithgoalie failed to ascertain the ramifications of what I had posted previously about the WORLD record high temperatures; therefore, one struggles to arrive at what point that rhymeswithgoalie is attempting to make.

        The main point that logical people ascertain is that CO₂ has basically nothing to do with the Earth’s temperature if one notes the dates that these high temperatures were set around the planet.
        What follows are world record high temperatures:
        North America (U.S.), Death Valley, Calif.; July 10, 1913 (134F)
        Asia; Tirat Tsvi, Israel, June 21, 1942, (129F):
        Australia ,Cloncurry, Queensland; Jan. 16, 1889 (128F):
        Europe, Seville, Spain, Aug. 4, 1881 (122F):
        South America, Rivadavia, Argentina; Dec. 11, 1905 (120F):
        Canada, Midale and Yellow Grass, Saskatchewan, Canada; July 5, 1937 (113F):
        Oceania; Tuguegarao, Philippines, April 29, 1912 (108F):
        Persian Gulf (sea-surface): Aug. 5, 1924 (96F):
        Antarctica; Vanda Station, Scott Coast, Jan. 5, 1974 (59F):
        South Pole, Dec. 27, 1978, (7.5F).
        Highest average annual mean temperature (world): Dallol, Ethiopia (Oct. 1960 Dec. 1966), 94° F.
        Longest hot spell (world): Marble Bar, W. Australia, 100° F (or above) for 162 consecutive days, Oct. 30, 1923 to Apr. 7, 1924. Notice anything regarding the dates of these records? Anyone heard of the dust bowl & wasn’t that in the 30s
        http://www.infoplease.com/ipa/A0001375.html

        • rhymeswithgoalie Says:

          There are many ways to change the temperature of the planet or regions of the planet, both long-term (e.g., Milankovitch Cycles) and short-term (e.g., spikes in solar activity) time scales.

          You’re claiming that past instances of localized warming disprove the increasing greenhouse effect we see today. That’s illogical.

          We know the basic physics of greenhouse gases.
          We know the sun isn’t especially active these past couple of decades.
          We know the Milankovitch cycles are trending into cooler regime.
          We know the basic aerosol levels over the past century.

      • John Swallow Says:

        rhymeswithgoalie Says: “The US is, as RWG says—2% of the land area of the world.” I’m sure that
        Rhymeswithgoalie will notice that these temperature reports come from “Stations processed last hour: 64885” & that the Average (Jan 2015-June 2021) is -0.341°C.

        The Earth’s Temperature
        Currently: 57°F/13.89°C
        Deviation: -0.2°F/-0.11°C
        Stations processed last hour: 65309
        Last station processed: Dhaka, Bangladesh
        Update time: 2021-07-20 01:49:36 UTC

        Average (Jan 2015-June 2021): -0.341°C
        Source: Temperature.Global
        Data: NOAA global METARs 2015-current
        NDBC global buoy reports 2015-current
        MADIS Mesonet Data, NOAA OMOs
        Previous Years
        The recorded global temperature for previous years:

        2015 average: 0.98 °F (0.54 °C) below normal
        2016 average: 0.48 °F (0.27 °C) below normal
        2017 average: 0.47 °F (0.26 °C) below normal
        2018 average: 1.33 °F (0.74 °C) below normal
        2019 average: 0.65 °F (0.36 °C) below normal
        2020 average: 0.00 °F (0.00 °C) below normal
        http://www.temperature.global/?fbclid=IwAR3MoBtOCRgxvo3RmysBBb–vXvQNYUS3MeoYCgXtwveH3Jy9GYDO8G_WVI#twitter

        • rhymeswithgoalie Says:

          Someone kindly answered the question of what this phoney baloney temperature.global website is:<blockquoteWhatever data processing/ manipulating/ cherry-picking they've done, they have somehow produced a chart which is divorced from reality.

          Have a look at 2016 figures ~ global temperature (presumably some sort of average) is shown as varying by over 3 degreesC in the course of that year !!! How on earth that could happen, requires a Harry Potter explanation.

          They claim they are using "unadjusted" METARS (weather stations at airports) collated by NOAA/NCDC . . . which would be very heavily weighted to Northern Hemisphere landmasses of course. Which would not represent an honest global picture. Yet they also claim to use buoy data (presumably oceanic) which might add some sort of Southern Hemisphere weighting . . . but that sounds funny too, in view of the colossal 3 degree fluctuation in 2016. None of it seems to make sense.

          BTW, we do know a spot on Earth that is getting cooler over the past couple of decades, and we know why (hint: It’s where icecap melt runs off onto the ocean surface).

        • rhymeswithgoalie Says:

          Someone kindly answered the question of what this phoney baloney temperature.global website is:

          Whatever data processing/ manipulating/ cherry-picking they’ve done, they have somehow produced a chart which is divorced from reality.

          Have a look at 2016 figures ~ global temperature (presumably some sort of average) is shown as varying by over 3 degreesC in the course of that year !!! How on earth that could happen, requires a Harry Potter explanation.

          They claim they are using “unadjusted” METARS (weather stations at airports) collated by NOAA/NCDC . . . which would be very heavily weighted to Northern Hemisphere landmasses of course. Which would not represent an honest global picture. Yet they also claim to use buoy data (presumably oceanic) which might add some sort of Southern Hemisphere weighting . . . but that sounds funny too, in view of the colossal 3 degree fluctuation in 2016. None of it seems to make sense.

          BTW, we do know a spot on Earth that is getting cooler over the past couple of decades, and we know why (hint: It’s where icecap melt runs off onto the ocean surface).

    • J4Zonian Says:

      Undeniable…

      Note that although it might appear that the .6°C line is the top of the graph, it’s not. The top is at the 1°C-above-pre-industrial-temperature line, which is what we reached in 2016.

      In just 5 years since, we’ve gone about .2° past that—as far above 1° as .8 is below it on the graph. So it’s obvious we’re now in the near-vertical part of the exponential curve of temperature increase… and as we can see by looking out the window at the monster rains, record floods, heat waves, fires…in Canada, the US Pacific Northwest, California, Arizona (both drought and floods!), Oregon (a fire with a mushroom cloud, making its own weather!), and other western states, Tennessee, Germany, Belgium, Netherlands, France, Czech Rep., Russia, the UK, Greece, Cypress, Turkey, Algeria, Mozambique, Bangladesh, China, India, Indonesia, Australia…the world has shifted. The “nature walk through the Book of Revelations” Al Gore said to expect in An Inconvenient Truth is here—for the rest of our lives.

      …by the sane.

  7. J4Zonian Says:

    Tony Heller! Ha ha ha ha hahahaha ha ha ha ! Tee hee… Whew. Good one.
    desmog[DOT]com/steven-goddard/

    SwallowsAnything keeps living down to the only thing I can call him or her any more. S/he pastes up garbage from decades ago, before the vast majority of climate-denying delayalist trolls gave up flat out denial of climate science because it simply wasn’t working any more. They moved on to “I’m not a scientist” as a momentary delay, “innovation” as a distraction, carbon prices as a Pavlovian trap for activists, blatantly dishonest economic arguments as attacks, and the current top hit, telling lies about clean safe renewable energy as a hail mary in a losing fight. Apparently having no thoughts of his or her own, Swallows just regurgitates Other People’s Lies—from 15 years ago!

    https://climatecrocks.com/2018/08/10/bogus-graph-of-us-temperatures-step-right-up-may-i-sucker-you/?fbclid=IwAR2dVLJ7bi88QKMHfqmM8ULbkdjuFSmenfiSlIpsLKV77LPqqoKEeAOqOtg

    Trust a possibly senile, certainly lying lunatic moron like SwallowsAnything to go from citing a disgraced, psychopathic pseudo-scientist like Spencer to citing a never-graced non-scientist fellow moron like Tony Heller, aka Steven Goddard, aka Tony Heller, aka wow, I’m getting dizzy. Seeing the name Tony/Steven/Heller/Goddard—whatever—is a good clue as to how bad* this argument is going to suck.
    Heller do what he do**: he bludgeons his opponents with strawpersons, alleviated only by all the other kinds of deception.

    • J4Zonian Says:

      Oops, footnotes got cut off accidentally. Trying to communicate complex things without exceeding 2 links per comment is a ROYAL PAIN! (speaking of Prince Charles…)

      *how badly, actually.
      ** Seeing someone who is as careless with typing and proofreading a publication as they are with science and facts, for example: “If you a hardcore refuter…” is a clue, tue, as to how bad* this is going to suck.

      https://tonyhellerakastevengoddard.com/2019/02/25/tony-heller-aka-steven-goddard-hits-series-of-potholes-gets-flattened/

      • John Swallow Says:

        While J4Zonian is, for good reason, too cowardly to even present its real name and uses a stupid alias,
        Gavin A. Schmidt is too cowardly to face Dr. Roy Spencer in a debate because he knows that he would not stand a chance when actual facts must be used and not the fabricated nonsense that the alarmist have been brainwashed onto using to make a case that is untenable, that the earth will be destroyed due to the trace gas CO₂, that is 1.6 times more dense than the rest of the atmosphere and is only between .03-.04% of that atmosphere.

        Global Warming – Dr. Gavin Schmidt Versus Dr. Roy Spencer
        34,815 views

        Gavin A. Schmidt
        This below is an outline of how Gavin A. Schmidt conducts himself on this phony site that is the exact opposite of how a site that claims to be grounded in science should conduct its business. What do you ‘think’, J4Zonian, about any of this? Does it appear to be the platform for an honest discussion about climate change?

        “I wanted you guys to know that you’re free to use RC in any way you think would be helpful. Gavin and I are going to be careful about what comments we screen through, …We can hold comments up in the queue and contact you about whether or not you think they should be screened through or not, and if so, any comments you’d like us to include.
        Think of RC as a resource that is at your disposal… We’ll use our best discretion to make sure the skeptics don’t get to use the RC comments as a megaphone.”
        – Michael E. Mann, IPCC Lead Author (2001)
        http://assassinationscience.com/climategate/1/FOIA/mail/0938018124.txt

        • J4Zonian Says:

          Swallows (or whatever his or her real name is) continues on as expected, using the same dishonest tactics, refusing to examine his or her own methods, and refusing to debate in any way that’s useful or aimed at the truth. S/he continues to defend indefensible actions and deny reality. While there’s some usefulness to revealing the lies people like Swallows tell, I have no interest in debating reality with insane people and it’s not useful on the internet.

          Swallows needs to find a good psychotherapist to help discover and heal the conditions making him or her vulnerable to manipulation by the narcissistic psychopaths in the fossil-fueled right wing. We can’t help with that; it’s up to Swallows to accept that s/he has an emotional illness and take care of it.

          Climate catastrophe is caused by fossil fuels, chemical-industrial agriculture, extractive forestry, and industry. The proximate driving factor is inequality, and the ultimate cause is the psychological condition of the civilizationized rich. We need to stop all that and build wiser, efficient production systems, radically equalize, and begin to heal the long-term emotional damage caused by our current civilization.

        • J4Zonian Says:

          Suprize!
          I didn’t watch the video at first because I didn’t have time to waste on anything I was pretty sure would be stupid. I was so wrong! It was great!

          Statistics!
          The video was 13 ½ minutes. There was some introduction, leading questions that should be counted as deceptions but I didn’t, so maybe 11 minutes of other stuff to be judged true or false. Stossel interrupted about every 2nd time Schmidt started to make a point. I didn’t count them as lies but they are. So, conservatively:

          Stossel’s outright lies & deceptions: 21

          Spencer’s outright lies & deceptions: 11
          So 11 lies in 2 min. 38 sec. but Stossel was talking during some of that so call it 2 minutes. That’s a lie every 11 seconds.

          Other guy; pro-fossil fossil’s lies & deceptions: 15 in 176 seconds + he nods to another Stossel lie = 16 lies. Which interestingly, almost exactly equals Spencer’s rate of 1 lie every 11 seconds.

          Gavin Schmidt: 0 lies. (At least according to the OVERWHELMING science of climate catastrophe. No doubt Swallows will continue to deny that reality.)

          It’s like cross country running; lowest score wins, so Schmidt won, 0-47. That’s a Globetrotters/Generals game. It’s an Ohio State/Coshocton Community College Game. It’s Henry V v. the French knights at Agincourt.

          Stossel is an extreme right wing lunatic moron who smiles enthusiastically and fakes sincerity while lying not just about climate but about everything. His badgering of Gavin Schmidt while preventing the very respected scientist from saying much of anything is a perfect example of why virtually no honest or credible people will come on his show.

          For the same reason, credible scientists and smart science journalists refuse to debate denying delayalists because the denying delayalists Gish gallop their way through every argument, exactly like these 3 psychopaths did, telling lie after lie after lie after lie after lie after lie after lie after lie after lie after lie after lie after lie after lie after lie after lie after lie after lie after lie after lie after lie after lie after lie after lie… Sorry, that’s only half of the ones that were told here, but I got bored. Again. They use straw people and other misrepresentations, cherry picking, attempt guilt by association, false dichotomies, fake debate, over-simplification, impossible expectations, red herrings galore, ad hominems, conspiracy theories and lots of other tactics.

          And it’s impossible to keep up with such liars; it takes many times longer to explain complex truths than it does to throw out simple anti-science lies. (If there were irony, it would be ironic that those lies were scientifically selected to play on and reinforce common biases and misconceptions held by people on the extreme right.) For example, I’ve heard every one of the lies told by the 3 denying delayalists in the video, just like I’ve heard all of Swallows’ lies many, many times, and can explain the truth, but it would take me 40 or 50 long posts—some very long. I’d even be willing to do that if there were even a 1 in 100 chance anyone would benefit, but Swallows will never accept reality, and probably almost everyone else already knows almost all of it. Swallows lost this argument decades ago, s/he just denies it. But the denying delayalists have succeeded in delaying for decades the solutions to climate catastrophe. With despicable idiotic media fakery like this video and argument, they’ve succeeded in condemning billions of people and millions of species to death already; allowing them a forum to continue is counterproductive to say the least.

    • John Swallow Says:

      Tony Heller backs up his presentations with physical evidence that I wonder if what’s its name, J4Zonian, can even begin to understand.
      Ice Doesn’t Lie – But Climate Scientists And Politicians Do
      15,872 views
      Apr 20, 2021

      J4Zonian Says something irrational about DeSmogBlog and does not want anyone to know the truth about tjhis corrupt site, I’m sure.
      The Truth about DeSmogBlog
      DeSmogBlog is a smear site founded by a scientifically unqualified public relations man, James Hoggan and funded by a convicted money launderer, John Lefebvre. The irony here is their favorite tactic is to attempt to smear those they disagree with as funded by “dirty money”. Since its creation in 2006 the site has done nothing but post poorly researched propaganda with a clear intent to smear respected scientists, policy analysts or groups who dare oppose an alarmist position on global warming. Their articles frequently reference unreliable sources such as Wikipedia and Sourcewatch since they are unable to find any fact based criticisms of those they attack in respected news sources.
      http://www.populartechnology.net/2011/04/truth-about-desmogblog.html?fbclid=IwAR02hkXruT7PSTLNQn_Rng0WhNXFqz7CnjdLf6sSIIzfYsBphpIP3Dl7-3U

    • John Swallow Says:

      Here are some of Tony Heller’s background and qualifications to research things that have to do with the Earth’s climate. Could the one who is too cowardly to even supply its real name, J4Zonian, provide a list of your qualifications?
      BS Geology, Arizona State University
      Masters Electrical Engineering, Rice University
      Boston University Geology
      Northern Arizona University Computer Science
      Colorado State University Computer Science
      University of New Mexico Geochemistry
      Lifelong environmentalist.
      I testified at my first Congressional hearing in support of Wilderness in 1972.
      I fought for the Clean Air and Water acts
      Wilderness Ranger Cibola National Forest, New Mexico
      Wilderness Ranger Santa Fe National Forest, New Mexico
      Currently battling the City of Boulder, Colorado to stop development on the South Boulder Wetlands
      Full time cyclist for all my local transportation, for the past 40 years
      Teacher.
      Science teacher, Athletic Director and Soccer Coach at Oak Creek Ranch School, Arizona
      Math teacher at Phoenix Country Day School
      Substitute teacher at Murphy School District, Phoenix Arizona
      Computer instructor at Tomball College, Texas
      Geologist.
      Geothermal research at Los Alamos National Labs
      Oil shale research at Los Alamos National Labs
      Thermodynamic research of methane hydrates at Los Alamos National Labs
      Volcano research at Los Alamos National Labs
      Safety Analysis Report for the Permian Basin DOE nuclear waste disposal site
      Volunteer curator Arizona Mineral Museum
      Electrical Engineer
      Compaq/SGI MIPS consortium design team
      Power PC design team IBM/Apple/Motorola (Used in most game consoles over the last three decades, and PowerMacs)
      Sandia Labs computer architect
      Sandia Labs representative to Al Gore’s Bankers Trust key escrow consortium
      Cyrix Media GX microprocessor design team manager
      Raycer Graphics OpenGL graphics processor verification lead
      Design manager Hitachi/ST SH5 microprocessor
      Verification lead MemoryLogix microprocessor
      Founder, design lead Visual Media video effects/editing software
      OpenGL driver development ATI
      Itanium/i7 design team Intel (very likely being used by you right now)
      Sped up Helicos DNA sequencing algorithm by 50X
      Sped up NCAR weather microphysics kernel by 500X
      Ported NCAR’s radiative transfer model to GPU
      Ported NCAR’s WRF weather model to Windows
      Drone visualization and control software for the US military
      Medical device control systems (under NDA)
      Virtual reality visualization design (under NDA)
      Radio control and visualization software (under NDA)
      There are many more projects I haven’t listed here. You will be hard pressed to find anyone with a broader and more successful career in science, education, environment and engineering. I use the same skill set and techniques to analyze climate science claims, as I have used in science/engineering.
      Your computer/game consoles work, partly due to my efforts. By contrast, climate science doesn’t work, because it is done largely by dishonest, incompetent hacks who don’t follow or even understand any legitimate methodology.
      I don’t receive any funding from anyone, other than small donations to my blog – which work out to about $5/hour. I hate cars and would love to see 90% of them off the road. I have been hit by cars several times riding my bicycle, and they foul the air with pollution.

      • J4Zonian Says:

        Most of those so-called “qualifications”—(and that’s incredibly arrogance calling them that) are inconsequential or negative. None of them are anything but whataboutery here—red herring attempts to deny, ignore and distract from the fact that:

        Tony Heller/Goddard lies. Relentlessly about the greatest existential threat to humanity in history. He lies in service of and in the pay of hate-filled nihilistic narcissistic psychopaths trying to destroy all life on Earth.

        Heller/Goddard lies with almost every statement he makes. Spencer, at least, used to be a scientist, and still punctuates his constant lies with small bits of truth designed, apparently, to draw people in and lend credibility to the lies. He’s a pariah and a joke among real scientists.

        Denial of science by Heller/Goddard, Spencer (and Christy) and Swallows (as their so-clueless-s/he-can’t-be-evil stenographer) is so pervasive it’s the essential nature of science that’s being denied. Science is a collective endeavor, and I get it, that right wing extremists can’t fathom the idea of anything that’s not either individual and or in uniform, goose-stepping. But science hasn’t just randomly and spontaneously decided that sea level is rising and fires, floods, bad storms, heat waves and droughts are increasing. Thousands of people have studied it separately, in various places and ways, and come together to the virtual unanimous realization that:

        Climate catastrophe is happening.

        Humans are causing more than 100% of it through fossil fuel burning, agriculture, forestry, and industry.

        It will destroy civilization and most life on Earth if not stopped immediately.

        The way to stop it is to replace fossil fuels with efficiency, wiser lives, and clean safe renewable energy; replace chemical-industrial agriculture with small-scale low-meat organic permaculture; replace extractive forestry with regenerative methods, and replace industry whose main characteristic is its psychopathic nature of externalizing, with holistic, circular, biomimicing craft-industry.

        Heller’s long strings of vomit-inducing lies have no place in any conversation by sane people. He’s a mentally ill addict who projects all his bad qualities and churns his own dishonesty into conspiracy nonsense, and uses dozens of other deceptive techniques to confuse and delay the actions we need to avoid global cataclysm. Swallows’ mental illness seems to follow along the same lines, though it must gall him or her to be so patently pathetic and impotent as to be posting such nonsense here where 90% of people don’t even pay attention, and the rest see through every ridiculous decades-old derivative piece of garbage. Even compared to his despicable anti-heroes Swallows comes off as a cognitive-ED-afflicted zero.

        All 5 major independent temperature-sensing systems (NASA, NOAA, BEST, HADCrut, RSS) agree with all the other credible scientific systems a well as added proxies:
        https://ane4bf-datap1.s3-eu-west-1.amazonaws.com/wmocms/s3fs-public/styles/featured_media_detail/public/news/featured_media/press_release.png?KX92RsrLp1UmeO2963dHDjByVFpCwAf6&itok=GkNI8hX8

        One thing they agree on, as the graphs show, is that 1920 and the 15 years just before were on average the coldest short period on record, globally. Anyone who disagrees with that should do the necessary research, publish the results in a credible journal or 3, and if they can’t do that, as Heller/Goddard, Spencer/Christy, and Swallows can’t, should STHU about it and stop lying.
        1880-2020 Image: https://www.ncdc.noaa.gov/monitoring-content/sotc/global/2020/dec/global-land-ocean-anomalies-202001-202012.png

  8. J4Zonian Says:

    potholer vs hellholer
    Spencer and Christy’s flawed data on warming vs cooling troposphere was debunked (ie, shown clearly to be wrong) in 2005! Where the hell has SwallowsAnything been hiding since then to be able to unknow this? Thus the musings about possible senility. I don’t know this, of course, and Swallows will never be honest about any of it (sources, motivations, pro-am status…) so we’ll never know. I’m just looking for alternative explanations for Swallows’ inexcusable behavior here collaborating with the delusional psychopaths trying to establish fascism and then end civilization.

    Spencer’s dishodiocy explained again and yet again
    5:01 Mears and Wentz, 2005

    https://climatecrocks.com/2018/08/10/bogus-graph-of-us-temperatures-step-right-up-may-i-sucker-you/?fbclid=IwAR2dVLJ7bi88QKMHfqmM8ULbkdjuFSmenfiSlIpsLKV77LPqqoKEeAOqOtg

    Back when semi-intelligent trolls were still arguing about climate, I seem to remember Carl Mears being interviewed a number of times on this site. Smarter, more honest people than SwallowsAnything might want to look those up.

  9. J4Zonian Says:

    Here are some more people insane enough for SwallowsAnything to cite. Keep an eye out for them.

  10. J4Zonian Says:

    Like many small children (and most of today’s Republicans), Swallows doesn’t seem to know the difference between hate and anger.

    Let’s explore the difference:
    After 15 years of arguing against exactly the same deceptive, manipulative arguments (often word for word) and much longer arguing against the same deceptive rhetorical tactics used by the far right,

    I’m angered by people continuing to drive us ever closer to the violent, chaotic collapse of civilization by lying about the psycho-ecological crisis.

    The people doing the driving are themselves driven by their nihilistic hatred of all life. Facts don’t matter; every truth is met by further dissociation into irrationality—on the surface the techniques of deception—conspiracy theories, cherry picking, strawpeople, distraction, and all the other techniques of emotionally disturbed individuals embedded in equally disturbed institutions like corporations and political parties. Deeper, the roots of the need for deception lie in childhood, individual, institutional, cultural, humanal. Rational debate by the left results in spun-out tirades of delusion, lying, and manipulation by the right because it threatens the right wing with awareness of the bankruptcy and infantilism of everything they/it feels and believes. The anger is rational, reasonable, and appropriate. The hatred is not.

    See the difference?


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