“Michael & Me” Just went Boom

May 12, 2020

UPDATE: There is more on this story that you can read here.

You can read my own account of meeting Moore, long before he was “the”
Michael Moore, here.

Joanne Doroshow on Facebook:

I was not going to step into this mess, which many people have contacted me about over the last couple weeks. But because of my anti-nuclear background and my familiarity with all that went down in Midland, this one particularly pained me. So I am breaking my silence. I was involved in the research and fact checking process for various of Michael’s film, TV and book projects from the 1990s through 2007. During that period, Michael cared enough about the accuracy of his films that he complied when others told him he had to make changes to reflect facts and reality. I personally factually annotated some of these films and put entire “fact check bibles” on film websites. I dealt with studio lawyers doing fact and libel checks until they were satisfied. Believe me, by the time these projects saw the light of day, they were airtight. The director of this new film was someone we never let near the fact checking process. In my experience, he seemed attracted to conspiracy theories and information that was not factual, and I believed his influence on Michael could be damaging to his films. I cannot speak to what happened to Michael’s films after I stopped helping to ensure their accuracy but it is excruciating to see what has happened now – although it is not surprising. People disturbed by inaccuracies in this film are not “haters.” They, like I, are pained by them. The factual errors should never have happened.

Center for Democracy and Justice at New York Law School:

Joanne Doroshow is the founder and executive director of the Center for Justice & Democracy and co-founder of Americans for Insurance Reform (AIR). She is also Adjunct Professor at New York Law School, where she teaches “Civil Justice & National Advocacy.” An attorney, Doroshow has worked on civil justice issues since 1986, when she directed an insurance industry and liability project for Ralph Nader. Together, they developed some of the first educational materials used to fight “tort reform” around the country including Goliath: Lloyd’s of London in the United States (1988) and Safeguarding Democracy: The Case for the Civil Jury (1992).

Doroshow founded CJ&D in 1998. As CJ&D Executive Director, she has testified before the U.S. Congress many times and appeared before numerous state legislatures around the country. She has written or co-authored numerous CJ&D studies and white papers on civil justice and insurance issues for both CJ&D and AIR. As a nationally recognized civil justice expert, she has appeared on television and radio programs on CBS, ABC, NBC, PBS, CNN, Fox News, MSNBC, CNBC, C-SPAN, and NPR. She is regularly quoted in newspapers nationwide, including the Wall Street Journal, New York Times, Washington Post, Chicago Tribune, Miami Herald and Los Angeles Times.

Doroshow has film and television production experience as well. She was one of the producers of the 1992 Academy Award-winning documentary, The Panama Deception, and has worked on the theatrical, broadcast and video distribution of a number of films. In 1994 and 1995, she was a Segment Producer and Coordinating Producer for TV Nation, the Emmy Award-winning humorous political show. She was also a Coordinating Producer of the documentary SiCKO (2007) and an Associate Producer of Fahrenheit 9/11.

From 1981 through 1985, Doroshow was lead counsel and spokesperson for TMI Alert, a community group working to block the restart of the TMI-1 nuclear reactor after the 1979 Three Mile Island accident and whose case reached the U.S. Supreme Court. In 1982, she worked on the successful Supreme Court appeal of the Karen Silkwood case. From 1989 to 1990, Doroshow was the director of California-based Bhopal Justice Campaign, a coalition of community groups and leaders fighting for statewide support for victims of the India gas disaster.

23 Responses to ““Michael & Me” Just went Boom”

  1. grindupbaker Says:

    Well, similar with Guy McPherson in terms of lying (I’ve no idea of impacts, I don’t do human stuff much). I find liars filthy, they make my skin crawl, I have to do something like a palette cleansing after “debating” with one. I dislike intensely persons who are apologists for liars like “but you’re missing the big picture….”. If a person cannot at least state fact as best known by a reasonably-diligent attempt to find it then they should write/say nothing about it. As you know, lying doesn’t include telling kids dying of disease that they’ll be fine. You all know what lying is.

    • Keith Omelvena Says:

      So you are fine with lying about how covering the planet with wind turbines and solar panels, will allow humanity to expand its’ economy, consumption, population etc exponentially?

      • Don Osborn Says:

        Keith, This is a nonsense comment and I think you know that. Energy efficiency, solar, wind, etc are just means to supply whatever amount of energy we do need while minimizing the adverse impacts.

        • Keith Omelvena Says:

          Nonsense? I don’t see many here honestly contemplating a smaller economy with fewer people? Maybe I missed it?

          • greenman3610 Says:

            I think you need to step carefully here.

          • Sandy Porter Says:

            Your original “question” was more an attack than an sincere question. If your main point is that ‘growth,’ in the common way it’s used – an expanding economy and more people in the world, both of which Capitalism is based on – is not only not a good thing in and of itself, but is actually very different from the goal we hope to see: a sustainable economy and a world population that ceases growing as soon as possible, with a lower population than now being better. Not that anyone actually wants to kill off a whole lot of people on the low-income part of the world spectrum; rather, if population rates went to 1 – 1.5 replacement rate (average of one or so kids per couple), that would lower an existing world population – like by women have the education and opportunities to control their own futures, their own bodies, have decent incomes, and have access to affordable medical and reproductive rights, it is likely that the vast majority of women would chose one or two children. The way things are set up in U.S.-style Capitalism – and most other systems – is unsustainable growth. Sustainable is far better, but for more than just humans. We have NO right to take over every square inch of the Planet, to continue our extractive industries at anything approaching current levels. The Planet herself has the right to have beautiful, free, unspoiled habitats, and the animals of the Planet do as well. What we are doing now to both is bereft of morality.

          • Keith Omelvena Says:

            Sandy Porter, yep, agree with all your points. I have followed Crocks for well over a decade now and have much appreciated Peters work over that time. As climate denialism has evolved from a fake facts campaign, aided by media, to don’t talk about it, I don’t want to know, Crocks has also evolved into being more about the latest tech marvel promising to save industrial society and by omission, avoiding having to look at ourselves seriously as a species, as we destroy life support systems of planet Earth! Renewable energy can provide enough energy for humanity to live fulfilling lives. What it can’t do, is support 11 billion humans in the lifestyle wealthy Americans enjoy. The military. The mass tourism industry Industrial ag. Even if it could, why would you want it too? Moores’ film was riddled with errors and half truths but the basic premise was 100% correct. I seem to remember Gores’ “Truth” movie suffered several “dramatic license” errors also. Commenters such as, “we only have to cover 5% of the planets land mass”, are as delusional as Trump and team!

      • rhymeswithgoalie Says:

        So you are fine with lying about how covering the planet with wind turbines and solar panels, will allow humanity to expand its’ economy, consumption, population etc exponentially?

        Who in the world says this?

        Really, I hear wacky conspiracy theories every day, but I don’t remember hearing/reading anything about wind turbines and solar panels being promoted as good for expanding consumption and population.


      • Absolute garbage. Wind and solar requires less than 5% of global land area, add in off shore wind and the figure falls below that

        • Keith Omelvena Says:

          Now that is really funny. I don’t know how factual your figures are, but 5% of the planets land area? To support what? The human industrial complex? BAU exponential economic growthism?

      • Sir Charles Says:

        Population growth nowadays is mainly driven by the fact that humans are getting healthier and much older than in the past. Fertility rate is declining since the 1960s and has now halved.

        https://ourworldindata.org/future-population-growth

    • grindupbaker Says:

      Well that was weird. I commented about how I hate filthy liars and how that’s why I hate the filthy liar Guy McPherson and a dyslexic imbecile entity immediately lied either about what I typed or that it’s a professional psychic that accurately received my (massively powerful) brain waves. I swear Scouts Honour before Greenthingy that the lying entity isn’t a tramp hanging round Shepherd’s Bush Market who I slipped 10 Bob to to be my shill to lie in situ about my comment about too many filthy worthless stinking liars around in order to accentuate my brilliant insights to the audience. He/she/it isn’t my shill, and you know I’m always truthful, though my fingers are crossed so it doesn’t count anyway.

  2. grindupbaker Says:

    I suppose ~all of you who agree with me that it would be “better” (which for me is something too wordy to bother describing) that humans not proceed much further with their experiment of warming Earth’s ecosphere to see where it leads as it progresses by increasing atmospheric carbon dioxide (CO2) are as sure as I am that “broadening the topic” benefits the vested interests who prefer continuing/increasing the experiment by massively muddying the water, and I see this everywhere continuously and it was immediately obvious to me when I first saw it. Is there a flaw in that ? Feel free to disagree strongly on the basis that I claimed above in this that Greenthingy is my grandmother if you wish, I can take it.

  3. grindupbaker Says:

    “Maximus Augustus” “Film was trying to explain we can’t keep producing babies like bunnies populating the earth not having enough resources. Also do biomass fuel cutting trees is also creating a problem”
    “grindupBaker” “Yes, obviously. There are humans, including myself, who have a strong opinion that it’s unacceptable to lie or provide disinformation in any way larger than trivial in order to make a point. That’s where the disagreement with you lies. The fact that you consider lying and disinformation to be acceptable because you didn’t say it wasn’t.”

  4. grindupbaker Says:

    “Sandra Bythe” “The documentary hits home on far more important issues than the factoid problems you’ve highlighted”.
    “grindupBaker” “the factoid problems you’ve highlighted”. You say that lying is just fine with you. Is that how global warming topic should be approached, by lying ? I’m only pissed because I’m at a massive disadvantage because I don’t lie real good like the rest of you. The lies don’t come from me as slick as snot running down glass like with most of the rest of you. I’m very awkard. I’m very incompetent at many things, like that one for example.

  5. grindupbaker Says:

    “Allan Byrne” “I will comment as I watch your video, so lets start with the festerval, the point he was making is that solar generation requires batteries. Or are you suggesting that these huge solar power stations install a million lithium batteries, so that the “dirty” power stations can be turned off? The generation cost data is from is an organisation with a vestered interest, so is untrustworthy and it does cost capital costs, which are massive? The graphs show figures for 2022, so you know they are made up crap, as will be the evidence in rest of your presentation, so no need to waste my time. You believe this grren bullshit along with climate change and keep using the data that suits your cause and costs the consumer $trillions. Michael was right in fahrenheit 911 and is mostly correct now, except for agreeing that climate change is real. This is all about greed and money and you green dummies take it all in like a toilet”.
    “grindupBaker” “You believe this grren bullshit along with climate change’. “Michael was right in fahrenheit 911 and is mostly correct now, except for agreeing that climate change is real”. Well there you go. Standard level 0 (bottom-of-toilet level) coal/oil shill-fuckwit. You was rolling along OK until you came out of the closet.

  6. grindupbaker Says:

    It deserves a U.N. process to produce regular reports along the lines of the IPCC AR reports so that all the pros and cons are assessed by experts and compared, rather than comparing innumerable anecdotes, advertisements and infotainment movies that are for the purpose of making wealth for the movie makers.


  7. […] I posted a few weeks ago, I received a message from Joanne Doroshow, former fact checker for Michael Moore’s TV show and several movies (Fahrenheit 451, Sicko) […]


  8. […] UPDATE: There is an epilogue to this, here.———- […]


  9. […] fuel apologist community – which worked. He’s been all over the media, much the way Michael Moore’s recent dumpster fire of a movie made the leftist grifter a new hero to the white supremacist crowd.The centerpiece of his argument […]


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