In the Midwest- Anti-Renewable Zealots push Fear, Not Facts

April 6, 2020

14 Responses to “In the Midwest- Anti-Renewable Zealots push Fear, Not Facts”

  1. Canman Says:

    Thanks for the links. I have mixed opinions about Hansen. I’m not surprised that he has Mormon ancestors.

    • dumboldguy Says:

      Here’s Canhead. What are your “mixed” opinions about Hansen? And why is it not surprising that he has Mormon ancestors? It’s nice that you have “opinions” and make bald assertions about the significance of his Mormon ancestry, but without any more info, it’s just more of your maundering.

      • Canman Says:

        Well I obviously like his support of nuclear power and he seems to have some semblance of a Cornucopian desire for human prosperity. he seems to be a pretty competent and respectable scientist.

        But he also seems to be a bit full of himself. I detest his efforts to turn our energy system into a quagmire of litigation. I also hate the scapegoating of fossil fuel companies. He seems to be fairly articulate. Why haven’t I ever seen him in a debate?

        Also, I find his activism, very analogous to his ancestor’s Mormonism, with anti-nuclearism corrosponding to poligamy.

        • jfon Says:

          Hansen came to give a talk at Otago University in New Zealand a few years ago. The hall booked for the event rapidly filled up, and they had to connect two more halls by videolink to hold the crowds. He is a very lucid speaker, but perhaps too measured and deliberate for the cut and thrust of an antagonistic debate – as he says, his wife was asking his sisters ‘ Has he always been slow ?’
          -‘anti-nuclearism corrosponding to poligamy’ ? ( should be ‘poly’ – it’s a Greek root ). That doesn’t make any sense at all.
          Hansen doesn’t demonise the fossil fuel industry, and his proposal for a carbon tax at the mine, well, or border involves the least bureaucracy, or room for litigation and avoidance. The only problem is getting it through politically, since the fossil majors know it will be the most effective dagger to their heart. They can happily coexist with renewables mandates that impose a part time power source onto the market. Scarcity is a marketer’s dream, and wind or solar reliably create scarcity of energy all the time.

        • Gingerbaker Says:

          “Also, I find his activism, very analogous to his ancestor’s Mormonism, with anti-nuclearism corrosponding to poligamy.”

          Now that right thar, that thar is some garblism analgous to onanigamy.

          Jeezum crow, Canman, that was not your best moment.

          • Canman Says:

            Hansen’s ancestors migrated to a Mormon state and did not like polygamy. They then found an offshoot of Mormonism that didn’t practice polygamy. Polygamy is part of extreme Mormonism. Anti-nuclearism is part of extreme climatism.

          • Gingerbaker Says:

            Well, I was jesting about the syntax and spelling errors in your previous comment. Kudos on expressing yourself so well now. 🙂

            Except. Your last sentence.

            Being antinuclear is also part of mild and centrist environmentalism. And being pronuclear can be part of mild, centrist, and extreme antienvironmantalism. Nuclear brings out the best and worst inclinations of all sorts of people.

            And by “worst inclinations”, of course, I mean those people that disagree with me. You know – people who are wrong. ;>D

          • Gingerbaker Says:

            And I would not characterize polygamy as “extreme” Mormonism. 30% of young Mormon women are in polygamous households according to Google, so it is a pretty healthy minority.

          • Canman Says:

            I would say there’s an extreme, sort of anti-technology wing of environmentalism that is anti-nuclear and anti-GMO. Also, I don’t think they understand the concept of economy of scale, very well. I would say that the intersection of anti-GMO and anti-nuclear is very high. I’d also guess that math was usually not their best subject.

          • Gingerbaker Says:

            The bell curve applies almost everywhere. There’s plenty of innumeracy to go around, including in the pro-nuclear camp. I see it all the time.

    • Sir Charles Says:

      He’s not the only scientist warning us. Here a meta study he facilitated with many other top climatologists:

      Also => Global warming will happen faster than we think

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