AOC on Colbert: “We Can’t Just Say, ‘Is Miami Going To Exist In 50 Years..”

June 27, 2019

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14 Responses to “AOC on Colbert: “We Can’t Just Say, ‘Is Miami Going To Exist In 50 Years..””

  1. jimbills Says:

    Not for the first time, I agree with everything she said here.

  2. jerrydogood Says:

    Miami does have a problem. It has a government agency to mitigate the problem. Miami’s problem is not rising sea levels, it is subsidence. The cause is the reason for the government agency, pumping of ground water and diversion of surface flows to build all that housing and give people a drink of water. A lot of coastal areas have the same problems some have more from continental rebound which is dipping the edge of the continent downwards. Alaska is rising as are parts of the west coast except for the LA area which is subsiding and parts of the SF bay area. There is a whole lot of studies on the various areas and problems if you simply google it.

    NYC had a problem with high water in the past, 13 ft tidal surge in 1821 due to a hurricane, nobody lived in lower Manhattan so it did not matter, today they need to build a sea wall for the next hurricane. Other places with high population densities need to do the same thing.

    Like a lot of current problems you can throw money for cures which are not cures but get people like AOC elected or you can choose to fix the actual problem which may be a lot harder. Miami needs to recharge the ground water and stop pumping it out which will require billions to fix as Florida has no rivers to tap for water outside of the surface flows for the national parks which are already fully allocated. The population explosion is driving most of the worlds problems and that will be the hardest to fix. AOC says nothing on that as it is not PC.

    • rhymeswithgoalie Says:

      Miami’s problem is not rising sea levels, it is subsidence.

      Where do you people get this “Miami is subsiding” crap? It isn’t. It’s built on porous limestone rock and the altimetry shows that it isn’t sinking. (The City of Miami Beach is on barrier islands.)

      The Earth’s oceans are getting warmer, as measured by the Argo floats. Warming water expands. On top of that, gigatons of land-based ice are melting every year and meltwater is adding to the oceans.

      Miami needs to recharge the ground water and stop pumping it out which will require billions to fix as Florida has no rivers to tap for water outside of the surface flows for the national parks which are already fully allocated.

      Venice, Italy, the central valley of California and Houston are places where sucking out water is an issue, but Miami is not subsiding. Any water drawn out of the Miami area is replenished either by the region’s frequent rainfalls or seawater intrusia via the same porous limestone. Many counties in South Florida are already losing wells due to the seawater line moving inland.

      These are well-known, basic geological and hydrogeological facts.

      • dumboldguy Says:

        Jerry doodoo does NOT want to hear the FACTS about Miami’s approaching inundation. Stop bothering him with facts—-let him continue to show us what a WIFI (Willfully Ignorant Functional Illiterate) he is.

  3. jerrydogood Says:

    If you want we can throw articles back and forth, here is one, https://dailycaller.com/2016/07/10/miami-is-sinking-but-that-doesnt-mean-sea-levels-are-rising/
    Here is Miami https://tidesandcurrents.noaa.gov/sltrends/sltrends_station.shtml?id=8723170

    You may notice the sea level trend is essentially zero since about 1970, it was not long after that they set up an agency to monitor and regulate ground water pumping and surface flows diversions. Whenever the gulf has a storm near shore, surges are going to effect Miami as it is built on a sandbar barely above sea level.

    • jerrydogood Says:

      Here is a study on the problem caused by overpumping and the resultant subsidence of the surface. It is a major problem in the USA. https://water.usgs.gov/ogw/pubs/fs00165/

      • rhymeswithgoalie Says:

        Overpumping and subsidence is a well-known hydrogeological issue around the world. Parts of the Florida peninsula are karst (partially dissolved cavernous limestone) overlaid with accumulated sands and swampy soils. Unlike the Houston area, all of Louisiana coast, the coastline around the Chesapeake Bay, etc., Miami is built on limestone. Surrounding regions may develop rapidly-collapsing sinkholes in the karst, but if anything it is the result of cavities caused by heavy water flows that are essentially underground rivers. The increasing sunny-day flooding of the City of Miami is not due to subsidence.

      • dumboldguy Says:

        “It is a major problem in the USA”. But not much in Florida, apparently. What sense does it make to post an article that doesn’t really support your argument? Or aren’t you smart enough to look beyond the fact that the word “subsidence” is in the title?

    • J4Zonian Says:

      “The Daily Caller is an online media outlet founded by conservative TV commentator and journalist Tucker Carlson and Neil Patel, former chief policy advisor to Vice President Cheney. …

      DeSmog and the Washington Post reported $3 million in funding for The Daily Caller came from climate change denier and GOP supporter Foster Friess, who had reportedly found sponsorship from a range of organizations such as the U.S. Chamber of Commerce, the National Mining Association, and Southern Company, all major opponents of meaningful action to curb climate change.”
      https://www.desmogblog.com/daily-caller

      • dumboldguy Says:

        The Daily Caller is known to be a garbage publication that has little regard for the truth. One need only look at the article doodoo cites to realize that. A person who states she “Is not a subsidence expert” baldly asserts that Miami is definitely subsiding. Typical of the Caller—-if they say it, it must be true, and if you want to believe it, you then have a “source” to cite.

        (And Needless to say, any article that mentions Tony Heller as a source is immediately suspect).

    • ubrew12 Says:

      “Here is Miami… You may notice the sea level trend is essentially zero since about 1970” Ha Ha. Dude, YOU may notice the trend is ‘essentially zero’, but I can’t help you with your eyes. ‘Willful blindness’ is not something I’m trained to treat. Didn’t you JUST claim something about ‘subsidence’? If ‘subsidence’ has stricken Miami, why are you comforted by the fact that your data shows (to you, at least) that it hasn’t changed in 50 years? If subsidence is REAL, it should show relative SLR. You posted a graph of ‘relative SLR’, yes? Could I possibly get you to look at your own graph?

      • dumboldguy Says:

        LOL—“willful blindness” and inability to see and understand graphic data is a sub-symptom of willfully ignorant functional illiteracy. Let’s hope that it causes doodoo to not “see” a bus as he steps off the curb in front of it—he has done that so many times here in a figurative sense that he’s a smear on Crock’s “pavement”, maybe he’ll do it for real.

    • rhymeswithgoalie Says:

      …dailycaller…
      With few exceptions for some deep-diving* science writers, never get scientific or medical information from general news sites.

      Did you even read the tidesandcurrents page you linked? It is depicting the trend of measurements from 1931-1981, which we already know was lower than it is in 2019.

      ____
      *Like Chris Mooney, whom scientists themselves consider a reliable science reporter.


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