Elizabeth Warren on Climate

May 13, 2019

5 minutes.

12 Responses to “Elizabeth Warren on Climate”

    • dumboldguy Says:

      OOH-Rah and Semper Fi, Elizabeth!! Excellent clip!!

      I’ve already contributed more than once to her campaign and have a WARREN sticker on the back of the van, (as well as RESIST, PERSIST, END CITIZENS UNITED, GOT SCIENCE?, FACTS MATTER, and DITCH MITCH among others), but I’m going to send more after watvhing this

      Go to http://www.elizabethwarren.com/ to donate or get your own bumper sticker. I’m thinking of getting a T-shirt too.

      HAS A
      FOR THAT

  1. rhymeswithgoalie Says:

    One of my petty peeves is the If We Could Go to the Moon Fallacy

    People who compare solving a difficult problem with going to the moon usually have no idea how straightforward the moon task was:
    – political support was easy to get to beat out those dam’ commie Russkis.
    – the moon is well-behaved and won’t game the system
    – the physics (Newton got us there) was well-understood
    – individuals competed to be part of the glory
    – the competition was a race, not a fight, so we didn’t have to adapt to changing Russian tactics

    I’ve heard it used to minimize opposition to other political projects like The Strategic Defense Initiative, which sucked down money and talent to design something which would shoot down missiles designed to avoid being shot down, using cheap dummies, chaff, mimicry, and dynamic control. Its comparison to complex adaptive systems like cancer and disease germs leads people to underestimate the time and costs needed to address them.

    Addressing climate change may be hardest of all:
    – we need to convince people there’s a massive slow-moving problem that will affect everyone
    – it involves mitigation and adaptation costs many orders of magnitude greater than the Apollo Program
    – we’re fighting against peoples’ greed (oil company investors), need (power to the people) or ignorance
    – there are several natural positive feedbacks accelerating the problem
    – the efforts of any individual seem vanishingly small on a planet of 7.3B
    – people will waste money and time on insufficient adaptation, merely deferring abandonment
    – it will get much worse before it can possibly get better

    • greenman3610 Says:

      all good points

      • greenman3610 Says:

        if we can send a man to the moon, why can’t we come up with a good analogy for solving climate change?

        • dumboldguy Says:

          RWG’s “good points” explain why we can’t come up with a good analogy for solving climate change, and KeenOn puts the lid on the the problem. The problem began 10+ thousand years back when human societies started to evolve (actually hundreds of thousands of years back when the human brain and human behaviors went in certain directions).

          The steam engine was invented less than 250 years ago, and triggered the industrial revolution and the use of fossil fuels, leading to the global capitalist exploitation of the planet that is now ramping up exponentially. Reread RGW’s comment—-the problem is presently unsolvable—-it was caused by men and is being exacerbated by men’s inability to focus on the common good.

          We could, of course, have some hope of solving the problem if we elect more women to office ASAP, starting with Elizabeth Warren as president. It’s time for the testosterone-ruled to be retired and those who know how to “mother” to be put in charge of the planet. There’s a reason we speak about Mpther Earth.

          • dumboldguy Says:

            (my O an P keys keep changing places—-sorry, Mother)

          • jfon Says:

            If you read Professor William Ruddiman’s book ‘ Plows, Plagues and Petroleum’, you will find evidence that we started seriously affecting the climate not 250 years ago, with Watt’s steam engine, but ~8,000 years ago, with the development of agriculture. Except that, at that stage, the extra CO2 and methane we were adding to the system was just about enough to stop it from sliding down towards the next ice age.By his account, the warming effect from those eight millenia was about the same as that from industrialisation – about one degree C, so far.
            I don’t think demonising men, or capitalism, is really helpful. We’re going to need all hands at the pump to sort out the planet’s air conditioning system (though it would help if so many people weren’t still trying to wreck it.)

          • dumboldguy Says:

            Ruddiman’s musings are part of the debate about when the Anthropocene really started, a debate that has been going on for quite some time. IMO, although points about what has been happening for the last 8-10 thousand years are valid, the invention of the steam engine and what that has brought on over the past 250 years in the form of so many exponential “hockey sticks” really marks the beginning of the end.

            Sorry you don’t think we should be “demonizing” capitalism or the greedy rich bastards (nearly all men) who have gotten us to this point and have NO intention of being “hands at the pump” until they have wrung every penny of profit out of their destruction of the planet. Those who want to wreck the planet effectively outnumber those who don’t because of their wealth and power, which are “force multipliers”, and IMO we should be “demonizing” them by following them around with signs and bullhorns and harassing them 24/7 until they relent. Thankfully, Elizabeth Warren recognizes this truth and has NO problem speaking out—-she is the candidate with the best plan and should be our next president.

          • jfon Says:

            It took about twenty years to build enough nukes to make quarter of Germany’s power and a third of Japan’s, but it only took Angela Merkel and Naoto Kan a month to close most of them down. Neither has since come anywhere near replacing them with a reliable source of carbon free electricity. President Warren would have enough time to wreck the biggest clean energy source you have, but it would take many presidential terms to replace and extend it, if that’s even possible.
            Professor Mark Jacobson got into a huff, and sued the authors of a paper that questioned his assertion that the US could run 100% on WWS – wind, water, solar – with no storage. Now he says you would need storage but it’s easy. How long before him, or his successors, realise that it’s not that easy after all ? Existing pumped storage or batteries is only good for a few minutes of powering any grid – the South Australian battery for Adelaide’s, for example, or Lewiston pumped hydro for New York.

  2. KeenOn350 Says:

    Maybe there is no good analogy to solving “climate change” in our past, because the impending climate breakdown / catastrophe is outside all other human experiences in the implications it has for our existence

  3. redskylite Says:

    Thoughts from AXIOS

    “Swing voters in three of America’s top battleground states want President Trump to do more on climate change, think the weather is getting weirder and don’t know much about the Green New Deal.

    Why it matters: It’s voters like these who have an important role electing America’s presidents. So it’s worth listening to them. I watched three recent focus groups of swing voters, conducted by the nonpartisan research firms Engagious and Focus Pointe Global, to learn more.

    Groups of about a dozen swing voters in Wisconsin, Ohio and Iowa answered questions about political topics, including climate and energy.

    Across the last two presidential cycles, roughly half voted for Republican Mitt Romney in 2012 and then flipped to Democrat Hillary Clinton in 2016. The other half went for Democrat Barack Obama in 2012 and Republican Trump in 2016. The Iowa focus group had only Obama-Trump voters.”


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