Evolution is Real. GOP shifting, ..so slowly..on Climate

April 26, 2019

Since they’re evolving, maybe they’ll take another look at evolution.

20 Responses to “Evolution is Real. GOP shifting, ..so slowly..on Climate”

  1. dumboldguy Says:

    It greatly diminishes the meaning of the word “evolving” to apply it to any Republican. Unless, of course, we’re talking about them adopting some “protective coloration”—in this case a smoke screen of grudging admissions (bullshit) that allows them to continue to delay and obstruct progress on global warming until their owners (the fossil fuel interests and the greedy rich) have extracted maximum profit. By then it will be SHTF time and too late.

    And they will NEVER take another look at biological evolution—-it goes against the bible, and the bible is where they get permission to plunder the earth, so it’s a non-starter.

  2. jimbills Says:

    I’ve thought for a while that the Republicans will keep denying and obstructing until they just can’t do so because of the externals, at which point they’ll simply say it’s real and pretend like they’ve always thought so.

    There’s a scene in ‘The Age of Stupid’ where a U.S. official says the issue is no longer up for debate. He’s a pretty accurate image to me – I see him as a Republican at some future date.

    I found this when searching for the clip (the official appears at 4:57):

    The Age of Stupid revisited: what’s changed on climate change? – video
    https://www.theguardian.com/environment/video/2019/mar/15/the-age-of-stupid-revisited-whats-changed-on-climate-change-video

    • J4Zonian Says:

      Of course they will, in fact they already are. This is happening for a number of reasons.

      The incredible shrinking memory of the USers.

      Denying delayalists–for whom denial is only a tactic; the real goal is delay–have always used the spaghetti method: Throw everything against the wall and see what sticks. There’s also a gradual survival-of-the-least-incredible shift in the arguments as the “it’s not happening” argument just isn’t cutting it any more even in red areas like suburbs, which the Republicans are now losing. The “i’m not a scientist” backpedal only bought a few months, and the “we don’t know how much is caused by [sic] men” doesn’t matter much because even the thought of thinking about how to tell how much is too much science and math for the red (neck) states, and most others already know how much–all of it. They’re down to the last few nonsensical memes and those aren’t working much either, except the moronic oppositional arguments about the Green New Deal, which really, are SO moronic it’s unlikely they’ll hold a majority of those who are left on the right.

      Generational change is inevitable but takes time, which is all they need.

      Demographic changes are being fought off with walls,* gerrymanders, vote suppression, (like the new citizenship question in the census), mass imprisonment with prisoner misrepresentation, etc. We need to vote progressives into every office up for a vote, harass as many others as it takes into resigning, vote DC and the territories into statehood, and pack the Supremes like Sardines. Enough of putting up with Republican-Lite corporate Democrats and staying polite in the face of ruthless diagnosables aiming for human extinction.

      They still control the media. Blockades and advertiser boycotts are called for.

      • dumboldguy Says:

        Captain Obvious strikes again! Jeffy DOES love to hear himself talk. I am a bit surprised that Jeffy suggests throwing spaghetti against the wall—-there are some poor and hungry people in this country that would be glad to have it for food. May I suggest that throwing S**T (or mud) against the wall would be more “sensitive” to the situation of the hungry? (the former is the only appropriate term for the Repugnants).

        Not only does Jeffy disrespect the poor and hungry, but he makes a gratuitous slur with “…thinking about how to tell how much is too much science and math for the red (neck) states…”. He and his pot-smoking, bongo-banging, yurt-dwelling elitist friends on the beach in Oregon had better hope that none of the local rednecks come down and kick their asses.

        Good job on this thread, Jeffy—-so far you’ve managed to insult everyone but redsky—-is he next?

    • rhymeswithgoalie Says:

      Here’s a PSA from 10 years ago, when we were given 30 years:

  3. redskylite Says:

    via : Bulletin of the Atomic Scientists (April 26th 2019)

    Could mammoths or carbon dioxide eating microbes solve climate change before the US government does?

    The idea that the US government will somehow enact legislation bold enough to meet the challenge of climate change seems, at least at the moment, almost a nonstarter. In contrast, even some fairly fantastical technological solutions seem comparatively realistic: Unlike the Green New Deal in the halls of Congress, research and development on climate change-related products is moving forward. From pseudo-woolly mammoths to carbon dioxide eating microbes, biologists have some pretty far-out ideas for tackling climate change, some that might not even be all that far-fetched.

    https://thebulletin.org/2019/04/could-mammoths-or-carbon-dioxide-eating-microbes-solve-climate-change-before-the-us-government-does/

    • J4Zonian Says:

      Massive sequestration is crucial to our survival. The only methods are reforestation and transforming chemical industrial agriculture to small-scale low-meat organic permaculture.

      But unless we stop emitting greenhouse gases none of that will matter, and no other methods can possibly scale up in time even if they’re invented. Of the 2 choices, technologies that exist, and technologies that don’t exist, rational people choose the ones that exist 5 times out of 5.

      • dumboldguy Says:

        Ah yes, wait long enough and Jeffy will overlay his genius on top of ANY conceivable comment. Here he is, telling redsky that Mammoths and microbes are a non-starter.

        “The ONLY methods are reforestation and transforming chemical industrial agriculture to small-scale low-meat organic permaculture”. If Jeffy says it, it must be true, although the rest of us know that the M&M’s are NOT impossibilities and WILL be a reality long before “government” takes adequate and meaningful action.

        “….unless we stop emitting greenhouse gases none of that will matter….” DUH!

        “Of the 2 choices, technologies that exist, and technologies that don’t exist, rational people choose the ones that exist 5 times out of 5”. DUH! again.

        False dichotomy, actually—-“rational” people “choose” and encourage anything that has a hope of working, especially when the powers that be are not employing the ones that work. At SHTF time, it will be too late to “explore”. That’s why some geoengineering schemes like SRM need to be studied even though they are a last ditch defense against AGW.

    • rhymeswithgoalie Says:

      That just makes me think of cane toads. (OK, I’m becoming more cynical.)

    • Keith Omelvena Says:

      Could woolly mammoths solve climate before government? Of course! Why is that even a question?

      • dumboldguy Says:

        Yep, and just think of all the tourists and reporters who will fly in from all over the world to take pictures of the Mammoths, and all the souvenirs (made in SE Asia) that they will buy! And “government” will encourage all that because it’s “good for the economy”.

    • redskylite Says:

      Plenty of complaints on the lack of media covering Climate Change, but the media news I’ve read this week is very bad on our existing forests. Keep watching NOAA CO2 readings, no sign of good news.

      World’s forests ‘in emergency room’ after years of losses

      The world lost 12 million hectares of tropical tree cover in 2018 – the equivalent of 30 football pitches a minute – researchers said on Thursday, warning the planet’s health was at stake.

      It was the fourth-highest annual decline since records began in 2001, according to new data from Global Forest Watch, which uses satellite imagery and remote sensing to monitor tree cover losses from Brazil to Ghana.

      “The world’s forests are now in the emergency room,” said Frances Seymour, a senior fellow at the US-based World Resources Institute (WRI), which led the research.

      https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2019/04/world-forests-emergency-room-years-losses-190425070740001.html

      • dumboldguy Says:

        Does that mean that no one is listening to Jeffy? Guess not—those losses are concentrated in exactly the tropical forests that are the most efficient at sequestering carbon.

    • redskylite Says:

      Sweden and Norway ‘concerned’ by unusual pre-season forest fires

      “The earlier trend of blazes is not only present in Scandinavia. Across Europe, the number of fires is higher this year than the average from the last 10 years.

      According to Copernicus, the EU Commission satellite service, there have been a total of 1,207 forest fires as of April 24, compared to 112 at this date last year.”

      https://www.euronews.com/2019/04/24/sweden-and-norway-concerned-by-unusual-pre-season-forest-fires

    • redskylite Says:

      Climate change to blame as bark beetles ravage central Europe’s forests

      Hot, dry summers are fanning an unprecedented outbreak of bark beetles that are destroying vast swathes of central Europe’s spruce forests which define the region’s landscape.

      Draught brought on by climate change has weakened trees’ natural defenses and helped spawn the insects, creating an infestation that has forced landowners to chop down broad patches of forest across the Czech Republic, northern Austria, Bavaria and Slovakia.

      https://www.reuters.com/article/us-centraleurope-environment-barkbeetle/climate-change-to-blame-as-bark-beetles-ravage-central-europes-forests-idUSKCN1S21LA

    • redskylite Says:

      Lungs of our world . .

      This map shows millions of acres of lost Amazon rainforest
      New data illustrates in painful detail the accelerated loss of Brazil’s forest cover.

      Because of human activities the world continued to lose forests in 2018, according to data compiled by research group Global Forest Watch and analysts at the University of Maryland.

      Clear cutting—removing large patches of forest indiscriminately—caused the highest loss of forest cover overall. Much of that was to make room for ranching, but other commercial activities like mining and soy production were also involved. Forest loss was down overall from the previous year by nearly 50 percent, largely due to massive wildfires in 2016 and 2017. But without wildfires, forest loss was up by roughly 13 percent. That has implications for climate change as well as other environmental concerns, the researchers note.

      https://www.nationalgeographic.com/environment/2019/04/three-million-acres-brazil-rainforest-lost/

  4. redskylite Says:

    via : Rollingstone (April 26th 2019)

    A New Generation of Activists Is Taking the Lead on Climate Change

    Many can’t vote, but they are making their voices heard: striking from school, filing lawsuits, staging sit-ins on Capitol Hill. On March 15th, inspired by teen Swedish activist Greta Thunberg, more than a million students poured into streets around the world to protest adults’ abject failure to curb carbon emissions.

    https://www.rollingstone.com/politics/politics-features/climate-change-school-strike-825719/

  5. ubrew12 Says:

    “Gee, I can no longer deny a changing climate outright without looking like an idiot, so I guess my response will ‘evolve’ ” ??

    That’s not evolution.

    • J4Zonian Says:

      No, it’s bargaining, one of the phases of dying or grief.

      • dumboldguy Says:

        No? NO? JFC!

        How does ubrew DARE to make a comment in agreement with jimbills and DOG without first checking with Jeffy, (our resident genius on all things) and master of psychobabble. I suspect Jeffy read about Kubler-Ross in a copy of Psychology Today while sitting in his dentist’s waiting room—probably tore the article out and now has it tacked to the wall next to his computer.

        ubrew gets it (as always)—-Jeffy doesn’t.


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