Audi: Maybe an EV is Not for You

April 10, 2019

And who says you even deserve an electric car?

21 Responses to “Audi: Maybe an EV is Not for You”

  1. dumboldguy Says:

    Insulting reverse-psychology and rather “snobbish” advertising. With a price range of $74,800 to $86,700, don’t think Joe the Plumber will buy one.

    • Irrelevant comment

      The equivalent IC Audi is a similar price to this and will come with increased costs such as fuel and lube as well as a more rigorous maintenance schedule due to more moving parts.

      • dumboldguy Says:

        What’s irrelevant is a comment that adds little to the discussion but seems to be merely “provoking”. Is SG looking for another thrashing?

        The CHEAPEST Audi in the USA costs around $36k+, and that is just about the AVERAGE cost of a car here—and less than 1/2 the price of this “appeal to the snobs” model.

        MY point was that this Audi model was not likely to make a big dent among average Americans (do you know who “Joe the plumber” is). YOUR point was that an EV has lower AFTER purchase costs. We are not talking about the same thing, and most of those who can afford $75K to $87K don’t care about either—they just want to impress their neighbors with the sticker price.

        • Your Fallacy is – Straw Man.

          I was not referring to the cheapest Audi as anyone with any skill at reading for comprehension would understand.

          You would presumably have made the same argument about petrol cars back in 1901, that there was no way that your ordinary Joe the Plumber could afford one and that horses were a better long term bet.

          • dumboldguy Says:

            Steampunk Groaner just can’t get over his D-K . It IS hard to treat, and about the only thing helps is education that allows the D-K sufferer understand whatever topic he is deficient in. SG needs to begin by learning all he can about Dunning-Kruger. I have tried to help SG, but he is like the kid on the school ground who wants to “get even” and keeps getting thrashed rather than dealing with the root cause of his problem.

            “I was not referring to the cheapest Audi as anyone with any skill at reading for comprehension would understand”, says Groaner. Strange, Redsky, mboli, and I are all on the same wavelength and are carrying on a coherent discussion—-we must have skills at reading comprehension that Groaner lacks. You CAN take classes in reading, SG, and it is my considered judgment as a professional educator that you would benefit from them. I took such a class only to the point of finishing the several hour battery of skills tests during the first days—speed, word recognition, comprehension, etc—-and since my scores were all in the 98th and 99th percentile, the professor recommended I drop the course and spend my time on something that I really needed to work on (like Calculus).

            And although SG dearly loves his Straw Man, he misused it (as usual) and illustrates for us another logical fallacy—the non sequitur—-with his horseshit about horses and cars back in 1906. Take the logic course too, SG—you need it.

            I said I was going to ignore you, SG, but I have to take advantage of your willingness to be such a Poster Child for D-K and a good example to all Crockers of what that means.

          • dumboldguy Says:

            Forgot to provide a “help” link for SG Take a look here to see what you need to work on.


    • rhymeswithgoalie Says:

      Audi has “snobbish” advertising? Well, duh.

      • dumboldguy Says:

        And after 19 comments on this dying thread, many of them with some substance, you have to add this inanity? Well, DOUBLE-duh and LMAO!

        Of course, we know it’s your “duty” to do this and continue the anti-DOG scheme that the troll factory wants, since Chucky is apparently taking the day off. Good—-you’re much more fun than he is, since you’re not a narcissistic anal orifice like he is. They should promote you and relegate Chucky to emptying garbage cans.

  2. Keith McClary Says:

    The winter part is amusing. Here it gets down to -40C (-40F). Audi only gives range specs down to -10C (14F), which is bathrobe and slippers weather. The nearest city is 300k return. Amazingly, there is a Tesla station halfway, 8 stations no waiting, but bring a snow shovel if you didn’t opt for the AWD model since they don’t snowplow the lot.

  3. Sir Charles Says:

    German carmakers are just disgusting. In their home country they persuaded the government to lower the tax for diesel fuel and promoted for almost two decades the diesel as more environment friedly and better for the climate than petrol cars. One of the biggest scams in te history of German carmakers. In 2017 they made a record net profit of more than €40bn, and now they’re investing their money in China to build EVs because that’s where the market is.

    BTW, have a look here:

    => Norway’s electric car market has overtaken traditional vehicle sales

    Sales of electric cars in Norway have overtaken traditional vehicles for the first time: 58% of all new vehicles sold in March 2019 were battery-powered.

    • Sir Charles Says:

      But, by pure volume, Norway’s EV market is small change in comparison to China. Dwarfing it’s Scandanavian counterpart, it claimed 40% of the EV market in 2017 – up from just over 10% in 2013.

      Electric vehicles accounted for 4% of all 28.1 million automobiles sold in China last year – and ambitious targets see the government setting its sights on EVs making up 10% of all passenger car sales in 2019, rising to 12% in 2020.

  4. J4Zonian Says:

    Watch for the tipping point, or Peak ICEV moment, when most people who have been putting off buying an ICEV but weren’t ready to buy an EV because of 10-years-behind-the-times perceptions of cost and range suddenly are convinced by ads that it’s time. The cash-strapped auto corporations will need to ramp up EV production by 12,000% in a year and waiting lists for EVs will be 7 years long; leases and used ICEVs simply won’t be available because everyone is going with a stopgap vehicle. Repair shops will hire and train extra people as everyone tries to keep the old one going just a little longer and then one day repair work will decline permanently by 97% because everyone has an EV.

    Auto corporations will be looking for another bailout from taxpayers, despite hating socialism for individuals, despite it all being their own fault, for all the crap they’ve pulled over the years over the transition to EVs. When they came for a bailout the last time (2008) we should have insisted they switch to 100% EV production over the next 5 years, but in the next one what will we do with the leverage? We could insist they produce, say, 10 times more mass transit capacity than they do private cars, but USers who pay little attention to the destruction of the world would rise up and tear down all federal buildings for that.

  5. redskylite Says:

    Not a very imaginative ad – get a new agency and quick ?

    When I was at school there was a club of richer boys, who liked to emulate James Bond, smoking fancy cigarettes and drinking vodka martinis (shaken not stirred) – this was in the 60’s – maybe Bond lacks the same draw these days – I wonder if the JB club will all buy EV’s after his next film.

    James Bond’s next car will be the all-electric Aston Martin Rapide E

  6. mboli Says:

    According to the Union of Concerned Scientists’ calculator, an Audi E-Tron plugged into my part of the grid has the GHG footprint of a 38 MPG gasoline car.

    By comparison:
    Nissan Leaf 56
    Honda Clarity 56 MPG,
    Teslas are in the mid 50s to mid 60s
    Chevy Bolt is 60 MPG.

    Plug-in hybrids in electric mode:
    Chevy Volt is 51 MPG and a Prius Prime is 60 MPG .

    Of course these GHG footprints will be different in other parts of the grid, mine is among the dirtier. But it seems to me nobody will be buying an Audi because of its carbon footprint.

    • dumboldguy Says:

      Look at the prices of those cars, as well. You can buy two of any on that list rather than the Audi and still have money left over.

      Nissan Leaf $23K
      Honda Clarity $30K
      Tesla 3 $35K
      Chevy Bolt $33K
      Chevy Volt $37.5K
      Prius Prime $27.5K

      Don’t think we have anything like the equivalent of redsky’s Bond Boys over here—if they buy EV’s, it will be because it’s become trendy among some other celebrity, most likely a singer. I wish I knew who our Pickup Boys were emulating—-I think they’re just trying to grow bigger penises and more hair on their chest by buying those huge and wasteful jazzed up WORK vehicles that are seldom used for work.

    • Sir Charles Says:

      The problem there are not the EVs, but an awful carbon footprint of the power sector in your area.

      • mboli Says:

        My point was the Audi is bad compared to the other plug-in alternatives, which will be true everywhere.

        And although my eGrid subregion is dirtier than average by quite a bit, it is far from the worst. And it generates the most electricity of all. So those quite disappointing GHG footprints are not far from representative experience.

  7. redskylite Says:

    Well done TESLA – EV’s delivered by an E.V – now that’s what I call an advert.

    Tesla makes Model 3 deliveries with an electric semi for first time

    Californian carmaker Tesla has shared a video of the first delivery of electric cars on an electric Tesla Semi prototype.

    Sporting a car trailer with four Model 3s on board, the fully electric semi is shown pulling up to a very excited family who are evidently thrilled at being the first ever customers to have their new car delivered by electric truck.

  8. dumboldguy Says:

    Yes, that is an excellent ad—-Musk is nothing if not a publicity genius. Of course, one truck prototype with “unknown” production and delivery possibilities does not mean much beyond attention seeking.

    Musk should concentrate on turning out cars, specifically the model 3, and put aside the trucks, planes (tailless ones , LOL), tunnels, and Mars—-Tesla is in trouble and needs to concentrate on its core business—-meet CAR production targets, become profitable, get out from under SEC displeasure, start rehiring people rather than laying them off—-THEN talk about trucks.

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