Elon Musk: Learning from Humans

October 5, 2018

MLive:

FLINT, MI — All Flint Community Schools will receive new water stations and water filtration via a donation by tech billionaire Elon Musk.

The school district issued a tweet on Thursday night offering its thanks to Musk and the Musk Foundation “for investing in the health/future well-being FCS Students!”

It’s also referenced in the tweet that the district is “Looking forward to our burgeoning partnership! More to come!”

In a reply to the district’s tweet, Musk commented “You’re most welcome. Hope to do more to help in the future.”

https://twitter.com/FlintSchools/status/1047991717507584001

A message by MLive-The Flint Journal Thursday evening seeking comment from the district on the partnership and donation amount was not immediately returned.

Established in 2002 by Elon Musk with brother Kimbal, the Musk Foundation’s website states grants are made in support of the following causes:

– Renewable energy research and advocacy

– Human space exploration research and advocacy

– Pediatric research

– Science and engineering education

The donation comes a few months after Musk said he would contact Flint Mayor Karen Weaver to discuss what the city needs are in recovering from the water crisis and to fund fixing the water in any Flint home that’s been contaminated above federally-allowable limits.

There has been no comment from the mayor’s office stating any such conversation has taken place between Weaver and Musk.

Candice Mushatt, a city spokeswoman, previously said someone from Musk’s office had been in touch with the mayor’s office.

Musk has also called on residents to email their lead test results and offered in another tweet to “organize a weekend in Flint to add filters to those houses with issues & hopefully fix the perception of those that are actually good.”

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21 Responses to “Elon Musk: Learning from Humans”

  1. rhymeswithgoalie Says:

    This is also a poke in the eye of the Big Three Automakers nearby in the Motor City.

  2. Sir Charles Says:

    The world needs more entrepreneurs like Musk.

  3. Bryson Brown Says:

    Musk has troubling flaws, but in a world of Kochs and Trumps and McConnells, he stands out as (at least) having some real concern for the public good.

    • Abel Adamski Says:

      Unfortunately great people tend to have great flaws, or at least they are more observable.
      IMO
      So much of the current drama comes from Elons personal self respect and integrity which for him are of ultimate importance, the accusations of Fraud which is based on him being able to achieve what experts considered impossible based on the abilities of the experts and their peer group, maybe they can’t cope with recognizing they are the embodiment of the Peter Principle.
      Those accusations he could handle as they were only noise even if they rankled.
      However the SEC charge of Fraud which was published in headlines around the world labels him for eternity as a fraud and that is a mortal wound to Elon.
      Which is why he refused initially to settle preferring to fight that charge in court and clear his name and reputation. However doing so would have meant years before the hearing during which times the attacks both on Elon and Tesla would have gone into hyperdrive doing great harm to Tesla and it’s reputation and the interests of it’s INVESTORS, so settled even though it meant the ultimate insult of being called a fraud as it was on the basis of no admission or denial, thus the public perception is he is a fraud and the settlement was to avoid being found guilty of that.
      Fraud requires intent and profiting from that fraud, the only profit was by the speculators, shorts and traders from the SEC’s action and charges and timing and the fraud charge and the action was based on claims by Citi and Nomura.
      Note the Head of the SEC has a long history of involvement in the Oil and Gas Industries to who’m EV’s are an existential threat and his wife is currently involved with those industries so the spectre of potential conflict of interest arises.
      The innocent pleas of it is just good business by the funds lending the shares to the shorts, defects from the reality, they are lenders who profit from thyat lending and it is in their interest and to their profit to either create the demand or build the demand for the product they are lending and minimise the risk of default, well with the good Q3 coming the risk of default rate rising rapidly was high so that had to be minimised. Just business regardless of consequences to the Company involved or its Investors

      • lracine Says:

        With regards to your post, if you change the name from Musk to Trump and instead of SEC Fraud you inserted tax evasion… well this could be written by a Trump supporter.

        Both men have out of control egos… and are prone to writing ill thought though tweets…

        It will be interesting to see how history treats Musk.


  4. Well frankly I will not be buying a Tesla or a wall battery (as good as they are) while Elon continues his absurd investments in rockets to mars.

    If he is really interested in planet earth he could spend the same $ on decreasing (or investing as he has) in good sustaining causes on this planet.

    I also do not use Amazon or Virgin anything for the same earth vs Mars reasons

    • Andy Lee Robinson Says:

      The money spent on going to Mars stays on Earth. It goes round and round and puts people to work, who then spend it and pay taxes so it all goes back into the economy.
      No money is actually lost.

      If you could afford a Tesla and choose to buy something else instead, then you are just spiting yourself and missing out on a revolution.

  5. Andy Lee Robinson Says:

    Ensuring clean and drinkable water should be the responsibility of the government.
    What do they exist for if not that?

  6. shastatodd Says:

    sorry musk worshipers, techno-cornucopianism cannot mitigate finite planet realities.

    • Gingerbaker Says:

      And yet there seems to be an endless supply of smug fatalists, who refuse to recognize technical solutions to technical problems, making snide drive-by comments on blogs.

      Earth’s resources may be limited, but there is a lot that can be done with an inexhaustible supply of energy and basic cheap minerals. We already have way more than we need to not only survive but to flourish.

      • dumboldguy Says:

        Why do you characterize what you call “fatalists” as “smug”? I have moved towards a position of “rational fatalism” because I have the training to understand the science and I have spend the last two+ decades since I retired studying all aspects of the AGW problem, particularly our inability to come to grips with it. I for one am feeling sad about it, not smug. Have you digested the latest IPCC report?

        Nor do I detect any real smugness in S-todd’s excellent summary of things—-“techno-cornucopianism cannot mitigate finite planet realities”. If anything displays smugness here, it’s your “…endless supply of smug fatalists, who refuse to recognize technical solutions to technical problems…”. Smug denial of reality is what that is….”A lot that can be done with an inexhaustible supply of energy and cheap minerals”…..Lord love a duck, but that borders on delusional.

        • Gingerbaker Says:

          OK, Dog, please tell us why all the PhD scientists and scientific groups who have spent years looking at the issue, and have published peer-reviewed studies and scholarly reports which tell us that we can use contemporary technology to get to 100% renewable energy are wrong.

          Show your work, please. And, if possible, explain how your answer depends upon s-todds scarcity of resources, which is what his claim boils down to.

          You might want to start your refutation here:

          https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/100%25_renewable_energy

          or here:

          https://www.lut.fi/web/en/news/-/asset_publisher/lGh4SAywhcPu/content/fully-renewable-electricity-worldwide-is-feasible-and-more-cost-effective-than-the-existing-system

          or here:

          http://thesolutionsproject.org/

        • Gingerbaker Says:

          We may well be doomed, Dog. But not because of technological impossibilities, or “techno-cornucopianism” or because of a lack of resources, or because we are “Musk worshippers”.

          No, what will doom us will be the politics of greed, aided by the smug fatalism of crypto Luddites who use words like “techno-cornucopianism”.

          • dumboldguy Says:

            Yep. The “politics of greed” has been the human species’ Achilles Heel since the beginning. From the get-go, some humans’ lust for power, money, land, etc. has first driven “civilizations”, then destroyed them. Only now that we have industrial technology and the capitalistic system that together are “advanced” enough to destroy the planet have we had to worry like this, though.

            (And “techno-cornucopianism” is a perfectly fine word—quite descriptive—the only luddites I see are those who can’t accept it).

  7. Gingerbaker Says:

    OK, Dog, please tell us why all the PhD scientists and scientific groups who have spent years looking at the issue, and have published peer-reviewed studies and scholarly reports which tell us that we can use contemporary technology to get to 100% renewable energy are wrong.

    Show your work, please. And, if possible, explain how your answer depends upon s-todds scarcity of resources, which is what his claim boils down to.

    You might want to start your refutation here:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/100%25_renewable_energy

    or here:

    https://www.lut.fi/web/en/news/-/asset_publisher/lGh4SAywhcPu/content/fully-renewable-electricity-worldwide-is-feasible-and-more-cost-effective-than-the-existing-system

    • dumboldguy Says:

      The “PhD scientists and scientific groups who….tell us that we can use contemporary technology to get to 100% renewable energy” ARE NOT WRONG, and I never said they were. The problem is that the conversion to RE is not happening fast enough to stave off some CAGW.

      CO2 and other greenhouse gas emissions are going UP rather than down, the burning of fossil fuels is decreasing only slowly, and all the indicators show a worsening situation—-again read the recent IPCC report. Bright sidedness and wishful thinking won’t get it done, period, and you need to wake up to that fact.

      And I did not interpret s-todd’s comment as “boiling down to a scarcity of resources” at all. I thought he was talking about the “finite resources” of the planet such as livable temperatures, adequate food and water, etc—-the “balance” that we have had for ~10,000 years and have damaged severely over the past 200 years. Those resources for life are going to be in short supply once we reach those “finite” tipping points and the SHTF.

  8. Abel Adamski Says:

    The researchers are working hard, why they have even found a greedy capitalist bacteria that could help, just give it gold, but then the deniers would view that like taking their money
    https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2018/10/181009140014.htm

    This bacterium gets paid in gold
    Harvesting solar fuels through a bacterium’s unusual appetite for gold

    The magic Au22
    Scientists have placed light-absorbing gold nanoclusters inside a bacterium, creating a biohybrid system that produces a higher yield of chemical products, such as biofuels, than previously demonstrated. The biohybrid captures sunlight and carbon dioxide to make chemicals useful not only on Earth but also in the exotic environment of space.

    • dumboldguy Says:

      ROTFLMAO over “greedy capitalist bacteria”. Pretty soon even rocks will become “greedy capitalists”.

      So, they have been working in the lab for six years to get to this point. How many more years will it take to perfect this, get financing, scale it up, and “sell” it to the world? (Don’t forget, the “greedy capitalists” will descend upon it and likely F it up once it looks like it can turn a profit). Same goes for the MOST system mentioned in your other post—-“COULD be commercial in 10 years”? In the meantime, the CAGW clock is ticking and speeding up.

  9. Abel Adamski Says:

    And for solar energy capture and storage for up to 18 Years in the form of heat, well a chemical reaction that when reversed generates heat

    https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2018/10/181003090348.htm

    Emissions-free energy system saves heat from the summer sun for winter

    Researchers have made strides towards the development of a specially designed molecule which can store solar energy for later use.

    The energy system MOST works in a circular manner. First, the liquid captures energy from sunlight, in a solar thermal collector on the roof of a building. Then it is stored at room temperature, leading to minimal energy losses. When the energy is needed, it can be drawn through the catalyst so that the liquid heats up. It is envisioned that this warmth can then be utilised in, for example, domestic heating systems, after which the liquid can be sent back up to the roof to collect more energy — all completely free of emissions, and without damaging the molecules.

    The research group have developed a catalyst for controlling the release of the stored energy. The catalyst acts as a filter, through which the liquid flows, creating a reaction which warms the liquid by 63 degrees Celsius. If the liquid has a temperature of 20C when it pumps through the filter, it comes out the other side at 83C. At the same time, it returns the molecule to its original form, so that it can be then reused in the warming system.

    The next steps for the researchers are to combine everything together into a coherent system.

    “There is a lot left to do. We have just got the system to work. Now we need to ensure everything is optimally designed,” says Kasper Moth-Poulsen.

    The group is satisfied with the storage capabilities, but more energy could be extracted, Kasper believes. He hopes that the research group will shortly achieve a temperature increase of at least 110 degrees Celsius and thinks the technology could be in commercial use within 10 years.


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