A Conversation with a Trump Voter

January 23, 2017

Our local paper published my piece on a recent conversation with a Trump voter.

And yes, it’s fiction, but based on fact, much like the Dr. Who quote above

Midland Daily News:

So, I finally got my emotions stabilized enough to chat with my Trump voter friend — let’s call him “Forrest.”

“Forrest, what I can’t understand is, the first thing Trump is going to do is cancel Obamacare. What are you going to do about health insurance?”

“Oh, I never signed up for that Muslim Socialist Obamacare, I’m with the Affordable Care Act — that’s much better insurance that the Republicans passed!”

I explained that the Affordable Care Act was Obamacare, but Forrest demurred, “No, I saw Trump the other day, he said they were going to make our health insurance even better. In fact, huge. And tremendous! I can’t wait to get rid of all the death panels, the FEMA camps, and for the government to stop intruding in my life!”

“So, you’re ready to have your Medicare reduced to a voucher? And the age of eligibility raised?”

“Oh, Mr. Trump would never do that. He wants to make America Great Again.”

“But it’s in the Republican platform!”

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He switched course.

“Here’s what I’m mad about, people that say Mr. Trump is ‘illegitimate’ even before he’s sworn in!” he said.

Peeling my jaw off the counter, I blurted, “But, Donald Trump built his political career claiming Mr. Obama was not an American, and therefore ineligible to be president!”

“Oh, I’m sure Mr. Trump was just saying that to win an election, he doesn’t really believe it.”

“But,” says I, “…You told me that yourself! In fact, as recently as August, 41 percent of Republicans didn’t believe Obama was born in the U.S. — and another 31 percent weren’t sure. It’s an astonishing disconnect from reality!”

‘Well, he doesn’t believe it any more.”

“But then, how do you know what he does believe?”

“I do know. He wants to make America Great Again.”

“OK, so, talk me down on this. All of our intelligence agencies say that Russia intervened in our election by spreading fake news and manipulating media, and released information that overwhelmingly favored Donald Trump.”

“A new U.S. intelligence document suggests that Mr. Trump’s associates might have met with Russian sources and discussed arrangements — Russian help in the elections, for Trump’s help in lifting sanctions, applied since the Russian invasion of Ukraine.”

Forrest frowned. “I’m suspicious of any kind of intelligence.”

But what about the Republican’s War on Science? They don’t believe in the proven science of climate change, which we can see right in front of us almost every week! We’ve had three years in a row of new global temperature records! 97 percent of climate scientists agree we’re in trouble!”

“I told you, I’m suspicious of any kind of intelligence!”

I circled around. “But how can Mr. Trump believe the former head of the KGB, someone who murders his opponents and journalists, targets schools and hospitals with his military? Someone who has conducted false-flag terror bombings against his own people? Someone who is supporting far-right Neo-Nazi groups across Europe, and right here in America?”

“Well, maybe we should jail some journalists! That would make them more careful about what they write! Except Fox. I love Fox.”

“I’m sure you’re joking,” I said.

“Right now, Mr. Putin is meddling in elections in Germany and France. A pro-Putin French candidate visited the White House last week.”

Mr. Trump has called NATO, the most successful treaty organization in history that has kept the peace in Europe for 70 years, “obsolete.”

NATO is the only thing keeping Mr. Putin from absorbing Eastern Europe into what he thinks is “Greater Russia.”

“Meanwhile, the first leader that Mr. Trump is going to meet with after he’s sworn in will be Vladimir Putin. What do you think they are going to talk about?”

Forrest thought a moment, “How to Make America Great Again?”

Peter Sinclair of Midland is a videographer specializing in climate change and sustainable solutions. His video series “This is Not Cool” appears on the blog Yale Climate Connections. Sinclair is media director of The Dark Snow Project, an international, crowd funded science and communication initiative, at darksnow.org

Io9:

Kellyanne Conway, in an interview on Meet the Press, recently declared that White House Press Secretary Sean Spicer wasn’t lying when he said that President Donald Trump’s inauguration was the most-attended one in history (it wasn’t). Rather, she said Spicer was sharing “alternative facts.” He wasn’t, he was lying.

Calling something “alternative” is another way of swerving around the truth in order to serve a narrative. It’s a tactic that’s already been used to try and disguise white nationalism as “alternative right,” and will likely be used again to justify more lies and bigotry. Luckily, the Doctor is smarter than that. Hopefully we are too.

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19 Responses to “A Conversation with a Trump Voter”

  1. lracine Says:

    “The tones of sneering contempt and condescension they directed at him (Trump) were all too familiar to his working class audiences, who have been treated to the same tones unceasingly by their soi-disant betters for decades now. ”

    When I read your article this quote from JMG came to mind… to be clear I do not support Trump.


    • Sneering. Yes, when you get angry enough, you start to sneer. Exactly the same thing happens all over the animal kingdom. It’s a sign that the Trump team has ignited a Whole lot of anger and hatred toward himself.

    • ubrew12 Says:

      It’s true. On the other hand, isn’t it human nature when confronted with such astonishing breadth of wishful thinking? The term ‘alternative facts’ completely describes what is going on: the wholesale capture of other people’s brains, and the complete remaking of their sense of reality. It’s just really hard not to let contempt filter in when you’re talking to someone who rejects a Scientific conclusion that is literally half-a-century old.

  2. schwadevivre Says:

    No it was not contempt towards Trump, it was disgust. Disgust that a serial bankrupt with many other business failures pretended to be a successful businessman. Disgust with his admitted sexual assaults upon women. Disgust at his links to the New York organised crime. Disgust at his admitted infidelities to his wives. Disgust at his ignorance. Disgust at his bigotry to ward women and blacks.

    The contempt was show toward a woman who was found innocent of transmitting secret information by e-mail multiple times, who has put a lifetime of service to help protect the weak and disadvantaged and who is willing to listen to those who actually have practical knowledge of a subject.

    Take your stupidity with you and remember Trump lost the popular vote by over 2 milliom

  3. mbrysonb Says:

    It’s hard not to sound condescending when you’re talking about someone setting new records for uttering false, disproven, misleading and damaging claims. This is so far beyond wrong, and (to cut to the real problem) so dangerous, that it’s hard to know what to say, or do. Most people will simply go on as they always have. But there’s a fire burning, and it’s getting bigger every day.


  4. To be clear, contempt is what I feel toward Trump, and the people he has lying for him, and the congress who rolled over on their backs for him. That and anger. And I am Clearly not alone in this.

    So yeah, Kellyanne Conway is right. She’s getting the vibe of contempt, because she and her team have driven things THAT far.


  5. They are above all pathetic and totally lacking in originality. Two examples:

    1. They had another baker copy Obama’s inaugural cake
    2. Melania tried to invoke Jackie Kennedy by wearlib=ng and identical outfit to the inauguration (except a different colour)

    Copycats, plagiarists, totally lacking in any intellectual depth whatsoever. If it wasn’t so serious to the entire world it would be funny. We’ll be very lucky if we are not all radioactive ash by the time 4 years is up.

  6. webej Says:

    A little short on facts, especially since you are railing against Trump’s disrepect for facts. Which I agree with, since I regard Trump as a hyuuuge ignoramus.

    But, NATO was formed BEFORE the Warsaw Pact. Russia applied to join in 1956 and again in 2001, but was rebuffed. There is no evidence that Russia wants to absorb Eastern Europe, but it is true that Russia has vowed never again to fight a war on its own territory (the last time the West invaded, 80% of the boys born in 1923 were dead by 1945). American and German troops and missiles within artillery range of St Petersberg makes them very nervous, as would be the case if the roles were reversed.

    Russia has not invaded the Ukraine, no evidence for any invasion, just assumptions about covert military aid to the Russians (!) in the Donbas. In fact, the most right-wing racist party in all of Eastern Europe (Pravyi Sector) is presently in power in Kiev, starting up a war (“anti-terror operation”=shelling civilian neighbourhoods) against freedom demonstrations in the East.

    Whatever is wrong with Trump, it is silly to demonize him as a puppet in the hands of Darth Vader the Kremlin.

    Obama: “The conclusions of the intelligence community with respect to the Russian hacking were not conclusive as to whether Wikileaks was witting or not in being the conduit through which we heard about the DNC emails that were leaked.”
    NB “leaked”, not “hacked”. The whole Russia connection is spin without any material evidence. None will every be forthcoming, and, if it existed, a lot more could be revealed without exposing “methods and means”.
    Obama: “After we had brokered … to transition power in the Ukraine”
    [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bmUNCsT8TjU]

    The last statement is what you call a fact.

    • dumboldguy Says:

      DweebyJ is back, nattering on semi-coherently and offering us some “alternative facts”, including an out-of-context video clip from undergroundworldnews.com, a known “fake news” site based in Germany that is probably funded by the Russians. LMAO! This whole “fake news” thing is going to become a real problem.

      • webej Says:

        Ah, Mr ad hominem is triggered again.

        UndergroundWorldNews — never heard of ‘m, I may have a look.
        The Video is an undoctored clip from a CNN interview, many uploads of the interview floating around YouTube to compare. Are you saying CNN is based in Germany and is “fake news”?

        There are no alternative facts in. Every single factual claim can be checked broadly in many sources of contrary ideologies. For instance whether Obama said those things. Whether American and German troops are within artillery range on Russia’s border. Whether Pravyi sector is part of the Kiev coalition, whether they follow Bandera and sport swastika’s, whether they have shelled civilian neighbourhoods, like the US did in Panama (and convicted officers who refused on the grounds that the order was a war crime), whether Russia applied for NATO membership, etc etc.

        Not a fact is whether Trump is an ignoramus (that is a conclusion or a judgment) or Trump is a puppet of the Kremlin (that is speculation, an opinion, or suchlike).

        • dumboldguy Says:

          Uh, Dweeby? It is not an ad hominem when one calls an asshole an asshole, nor is it an ad hominem to speak of someone “nattering on semi-coherently and offering us some “alternative facts”, including an out-of-context video clip from undergroundworldnews.com” when they are doing exactly that.

          Do you even understand how Youtube works? A short tutorial.
          1) Go to the link you cited: https://youtu.be/bmUNCsT8TjU
          2) Look at the “published” data. Hit “Show more” to see it all.
          3) You will see that your link was indeed “published” by UWnews (which IS based in Germany), even though it was an “out of context clip” from CNN. To wit:

          “Published on Feb 1, 2015 (by)
          http://www.undergroundworldnews.com
          After some brief propaganda BS, you will see another link—-to RT, unsurprisingly, and that piece is some really crappy Russian propaganda garbage.
          http://rt.com/op-edge/228379-obama-po

          I AM glad to see that you “regard Trump as a hyuuuge ignoramus., and that’s something we can agree on. Based on your latest comments here, you are either another stooge for Russia or a hyuuuge ignoramus yourself—-which is it?

        • dumboldguy Says:

          (Got “moderated” for too many links. I have cleaned them out so that it will (I hope) post this time).

          Uh, Dweeby? It is not an ad hominem when one calls an asshole an asshole, nor is it an ad hominem to speak of someone “nattering on semi-coherently and offering us some “alternative facts”, including an out-of-context video clip from undergroundworldnews” when they are doing exactly that.

          Do you even understand how Youtube works? A short tutorial.
          1) Go to the link you cited.
          2) Look at the “published” data. Hit “Show more” to see it all.
          3) This gives info as to the source of the Youtube clip
          4) You will see that your link was indeed “published” by undergroundworldnews (which IS based in Germany), even though it was an “out of context clip” from CNN. To wit:

          “Published on Feb 1, 2015 (by) undergroundworldnews.com
          After some brief propaganda BS, you will see another link—-to RT, unsurprisingly, and that piece is some really crappy Russian propaganda garbage.

          I AM glad to see that you “regard Trump as a hyuuuge ignoramus., and that’s something we can agree on. Based on your latest comments here, you are either another stooge for Russia or perhaps a hyuuuge ignoramus yourself—-which is it?

          • webej Says:

            Thank you for the tutorial, asshole.

          • dumboldguy Says:

            You’re certainly welcome—-glad to help—-one of my missions in life is to fight ignorance wherever I find it.

            (And you didn’t answer my question? Are you another stooge for Russia or just a hyuuuge ignoramus—-which is it?)


  7. Why’d you have to call him Forrest?


    • Thats what I am wondering too. Trump is a narcist and an idiot, Forrest is a man of great heart.

      • dumboldguy Says:

        Can’t speak for Peter, but Forrest is also kind of a dimwit, and the picture of him sitting on the bench as an old man symbolizes a “typical Trump voter” well. And don’t forget the conservative nature of the film’s message.


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