Trump Spokesperson: No Climate Change, Earth is 5500 Years Old

December 31, 2016

The President Climate Deniers have always dreamed of.

57 Responses to “Trump Spokesperson: No Climate Change, Earth is 5500 Years Old”

  1. Lionel Smith Says:

    In this sense we could say there are about 5500 years of human history.

    But the clown specifically said, ‘…people have gotten things wrong about the 5500 year history of our planet…’.

    One would need a very fine pencil to delineate such a time period on this drawing given the Holocene line is way thicker than the general scale in this In the works for a revamp to update using information gathered since last edit in 2010.

  2. dumboldguy Says:

    You’re “feeling ill”, Louise? And redsky says ‘scary times ahead”? Really? If anyone wonders why they said that (and I concur 100%), take a look at this clip from July 2015:

    Scarymunchi is just another ignorant moron from the the world of finance (who wouldn’t have made it in any REAL line of work like science), but he can’t hold a candle to the biggest moron of all—-President-Elect Pussy Grabber.

    For those who want to see a transcript of that piece of idiocy, here it is—–people have actually attempted to diagram this ‘sentence”, and it is rumored that several went insane while doing so.

    “Look, having nuclear—my uncle was a great professor and scientist and engineer, Dr. John Trump at MIT; good genes, very good genes,
    OK, very smart, the Wharton School of Finance, very good, very smart
    —you know, if you’re a conservative Republican, if I were a liberal, if,
    like, OK, if I ran as a liberal Democrat, they would say I’m one of the
    smartest people anywhere in the world—it’s true!—but when you’re a
    conservative Republican they try—oh, do they do a number—that’s
    why I always start off: Went to Wharton, was a good student, went
    there, went there, did this, built a fortune—you know I have to give my
    like credentials all the time, because we’re a little disadvantaged—but
    you look at the nuclear deal, the thing that really bothers me—it would
    have been so easy, and it’s not as important as these lives are (nuclear
    is powerful; my uncle explained that to me many, many years ago, the
    power and that was 35 years ago; he would explain the power of
    what’s going to happen and he was right—who would have thought?),
    but when you look at what’s going on with the four prisoners—now it
    used to be three, now it’s four—but when it was three and even now, I
    would have said it’s all in the messenger; fellas, and it is fellas because,
    you know, they don’t, they haven’t figured that the women are smarter
    right now than the men, so, you know, it’s gonna take them about
    another 150 years—but the Persians are great negotiators, the Iranians are great negotiators, so, and they, they just killed, they just killed us.”

    • LOL. What was the question again? It’s the kind of answer you could expect to get from someone with advancing Altzheimers.

      • dumboldguy Says:

        Actually, more like one who suffers from some form of aphasia. You’re being just a bit unkind to Alzheimer’s sufferers.

    • andrewfez Says:

      The same fellow that made the video in Peter’s post, David Pakman, also made a good one reading Trump’s answers (or non-answers) to political questions from the Washington Post:

      • dumboldguy Says:

        Yes, Pakman does good work. And he says it all with “empty head”. I still cannot believe that this ignorant POS is going to be the president of the the United States in just over two weeks. If there is a God, he must be very angry with us.

  3. Tom Bates Says:

    The headline is a lie. He was talking about the age of cities which is just about right, He said the word , world, and than corrected himself. The correction has been edited out of this trash.

    • Got a copy of the unedited version somewhere Tom?

    • Seem to have found an unedited version and he says “the 5500 year history of our planet, (correction) human history. 6:25

      • webej Says:

        In a longer cut of the video, however, it does appear that Scaramucci said “or I should say human history”

        He has already explicitly corrected the disinformation:

        “Read my twitter feed. What I meant to say was in the 5,500 years of well-recorded human history on earth. I believe the planet is 4.5 billion years old.”

        3500 BC is actually surprisingly accurate, for these kinds of people [ignorant climate deniers].

    • dumboldguy Says:

      I love the wonderful irony of one moron (Bates) trying to support in any way possible the unsupportable BS of another moron (Scarymunchi). And I speak not of the 5500 year, “misspeak”, but of the climate science ignorance. It’s amazing how they “find” each other.

    • mboli Says:

      @Tom Bates is right. This is a deceptively edited quote.
      It is possible that Scaramucci is indeed a climate denier. It is possible that he is a young earth creationist. But this video doesn’t strongly support the first and it was edited to create the illusion of the second.
      It is pretty embarrassing that @greenman decided to run this. This video has been shared all over the left-wing web, and every time it is debunked. Phil Plait who had posted it on his Bad Astronomy blog issued a retraction about that claim.
      And then it appears here!

      • This advisor talks about clean air and clean water, and energy independence. That means 100% renewable energy. That is the best energy independence of all. You just aren’t having the need to import energy.

        Oil and coal will never give us clean and clean water or energy independence.

      • mboli

        You haven’t made your case. His 5500 year history of humans still stands. Comparing scientists just could be wrong because of flat earth history is just absurd. This is a guy that is slyly denying global warming.

        Solution to energy independence, dump fossil fuels and go 100% renewable energy.

      • dumboldguy Says:

        First, Tom Bates is ALWAYS wrong, even when he dies stumble over an occasional fact that he doesn’t misuse or misinterpret. His very existence is a blot on the cosmos—-he is the living definition of “wrongness”.

        A “deceptively edited quote”, you say? Lord love a duck and BFD! Considering the amount of deception that flows from the climate deniers, it is not really “pretty embarrassing” that one very small bit sneaks onto Crock, which is now only 99.99+% “pure”.

        What IS actually “pretty embarrassing” is that you’ve got your head so far up your butt trying to be “nice” that you would try to excuse all the rest of Scary Movie’s bullshit because he was “edited”.

        It is POSSIBLE that he may be a climate denier???? Did you listen to what he said? Same old “I’m not a scientist” and “scientists have been wrong before” denier talking points. His hurried and muttered “I meant 5500 years of human history” that was so cruelly and deceptively edited out doesn’t change any of that.

        We are in a war here, and it’s about to become very serious—-wake up and look at who the enemy really is and direct your fire at them. They don’t care if they kill women, children, and old people, and you want to defend a freaking hedge fund guy?

    • mboli Says:

      Without the snipped paragraph at the end, and the associated snark tarring Scaramucci as a young-earth creationist (har har), nobody would have bothered to post this video.
      Yes, the guy is a denier. Or in any event, in his role as spokesperson for the Trump transition team he is a denier. But what he says is standard-issue denier dumbth, in the context of a meaningless TV gasbag interview. No official announcement. No new information. No unique hook that makes it newsworthy.
      It is the quote that makes this video quote-worthy, and the quote is a deception.
      Posting it and going snicker-snicker yuk-yuk is not a right thing to do. Also it decidedly does not advance our cause.
      Sinclair’s efforts, among them this web site, are supposedly about accurate and informative climate communication. I *think* he wants people to come here for global warming news and education, as well as descriptions of and debunking of the current denier memes.
      This kind of post is bad for his credibility. Some posters here find it entertaining, but ultimately deceptions like this work against Sinclair’s purposes.
      I think Sinclair should properly issue a correction and remove it.

      • ubrew12 Says:

        Human written history begins ~5,500 years ago. It’s probably the invention of writing that Scaramucci is referring to. In any case, he said ‘Planet’ and Greenman’s concern is not unwarranted: to find a young Earth creationist just go up the Trump Tower a few notches and take a look at our new Vice President.

        “This kind of post is bad for [Greenman’s] credibility.” Scaramucci is a climate denier. He revels in it. He defends it on national TV. Climatecrocks could issue a picture of Scaramucci defaced with horns and a tail and I’d still read it: because its accurate. Where, and when, is it that you think you are?

        • dumboldguy Says:

          You asked the question I was gong to ask. Obviously not on planet Earth in 2017, or he would not be doubling down on his stupidity about the editing of the clip being “bad for Greenman’s credibility”. Keith and dweebyj have already spoken to the truth about the 5500 years, and NO “removal or correction” is needed.

          Give it up mboli, or I’m going to use you as an example of someone who believes that some horses are never too dead to beat (especially puny little ones).

  4. vierotchka Says:

    Regarding Trump, Chris Hedges painted a very bleak picture which I worry might well be accurate:

    • dumboldguy Says:

      You do need to worry, because Hedges gets it, and his “bleak picture” has been supported by a lot of others besides Marx. Ir will be a miracle if what he speaks of does NOT happen. IMO, the war has been pretty much lost, and we are on our way to the corporate feudal state.

      Hedges’ book “The Death of the Liberal Class” is a great expose of why there will be little or no resistance from the left, and “Winner Take All Politics” by Hacker and Pierson fills in gaps in “Death”. Throw “Dark Money” on top and you will have a very bleak picture indeed.

      • andrewfez Says:

        Chomsky says the balance of power to and from Labor is cyclical. The last time Labor flourished was after wealth inequality had grown to record heights nebulous to the Great Depression; that selfsame level is once again at hand.

        Now the old Democratic Party is dying and money in politics is killing it; rightly or wrongly these guys are seen as 1980’s Republicans who don’t mind abortions; there won’t be any resistance from them – they’re paid by their donors to do nothing whilst the kleptocrats grab everything in sight; they are only meant to give the false perception that something could be done to keep the plebs asleep.

        However, the plebs are no longer asleep. Bernie Sanders has been using the same messaging for decades; this year it finally struck a nerve. Somehow an unpolished, bald, four-eyed, hunched-over, codgerly, socialist senator with zero name recognition was able to capture 47% of the vote in the primary, even though he was up against the most powerful and connected politician in Washington, who had celebrity name recognition, the DNC, the corporate establishment, and the establishment media all pulling for her. That’s a positive measure of the wakening of Labor.

        Trump’s best asset is that he’s too dumb to dog-whistle. Instead of having a head of EPA that says, ‘Geez, we really can’t tell if fracking is bad or not based on this oil industry study; let’s keep drilling. But’s lets also sorta talk about carbon pollution,’ Trump just puts an oil CEO in charge of Sec. of State. and a pro-coal lackey for head of the EPA. Trump is popping the hood and letting the plebs see exactly how the motor runs; and they ain’t gonna like it.

        Meanwhile large donations are coming into progressive, independent media. TYT has collected $500,000 recently to put some more investigative journalists on the ground. Pakman is getting record donations. Wolf-pac continues its march for 33 states. The cost of solar plummeted 25% in 2016 and the market is now favoring renewables.

        The next big step is if Keith Ellison becomes head of the DNC; if that happens, a Sanders like candidate will get a fair shake in 2020 which will bring out all the Hope and Change voters. I’m of the opinion that if Dems want to win elections we have to go back to paper ballots and hand counting; putting the voting machines in the closet. There were 75,000 votes in heavily democratic parts of Detroit that weren’t counted because the voting machines were too old to recognize half-filled in bubbles. Trump won by 10,000 votes in MI. The Republicans blocked the hand counting of these 75,000 votes. There were statistical irregularities going on with several voting machines in both the primary and the general election. A lot of Europe went back to paper ballots after voting machines were shown to be too easily manipulated.

  5. Actions speak louder than words. Pruit coming in signals that destruction of the present system. What’s important is what we are going to change into.. My guess is that is going to part of the delay system where the effects of the changes won’t start till after next election like the health care changes coming.

    • dumboldguy Says:

      WashPost headline this AM:

      “GOP Congress chomping at bit”
      “Ambitious agenda ready for fast action”
      “Many elements are old goals thwarted by Obama”

      Don’t think there will be much “delay” going on.

      • See how it plays out. Thanks.

      • Already in action

        Outcry after Republicans vote to dismantle independent ethics body

        Office of Congressional Ethics was created in 2008 to investigate allegations of misconduct by lawmakers

        House Republicans have gutted an independent ethics watchdog, putting it under their own control, in a secret ballot hours before the new Congress convened for the first time.

        The unheralded vote severely weakens the Office of Congressional Ethics (OCE), which was set up after a lobbying scandal in 2008 to investigate corruption allegations against members of Congress. The move, led by the head of the House judiciary committee, defied the Republican congressional leadership and was reportedly supported by several legislators currently under OCE scrutiny.
        Republicans’ plan to erase Obama legacy starts with chipping away at Obamacare
        Read more

        The amendment was voted through by the House Republican conference over the New Year’s holiday with no prior notice or debate and inserted in a broad rules package the House will vote for on Tuesday. It turns the formerly independent OCE into the Office of Congressional Complaint Review, a subordinate body to the House Ethics Committee, which is currently run by the Republican majority and has a long history of overlooking charges of malfeasance by lawmakers.

        The new body will not be able to receive anonymous tips from members of Congress or make its findings public.

        The vote comes at a time when the Republicans control all three branches of government and are seeking to remove some of the residual constraints on their powers. The rules package to be voted through on Tuesday, for example, will limit the ability of the Democratic minority to block legislation like the repeal of Obama’s Affordable Care Act by staging a filibuster.

        It also comes at a time when president-elect Trump is attempting to fend off scrutiny over multiple conflicts of interests questions arising from his bid to keep his business empire in his family’s hands even after he takes office on 20 January.

        “Evidently, ethics are the first casualty of the new Republican Congress.”

        • dumboldguy Says:

          There have been corrupt Democrats down through the years, but NOBODY can match the Repugnants when they get power. I keep touting the book “The Wrecking Crew: How Conservatives Govern”—-it’s short, sweet, and actually quite entertaining (if you like dark humor).

          Get ready, folks—-it’s going to be quite a ride.


    Donald Trump’s “policies” don’t really exist in any conventional or coherent sense, but his promises, pledges and appointments so far tell us enough to know that he’s devoted to the kind of bubble economics that ultimately can only burst.

    If this is correct, we will go from a stable economy to a bipolar economy. Goiing from a boom to a depression again like during the Bush administration.

    I’m not interested in a roller coaster economy that benefits only the few.

    • andrewfez Says:

      We in Los Angeles are in another severe housing bubble. We’re also historically overdue for a recession and the stock market is a little bit overvalued. Right now the US economic engine is starting to take off after being stalled forever. But it won’t take much boat rocking to flip us back into hot water.

  7. There are certain aspects of running government like a business that is just absurd. Profit first and sacrifice human needs.

    Trump picks Tillerson to “take the oil” as Secretary of State
    Response from Oil Change International

    “Does Rex Tillerson understand that democracy, the Earth’s climate, and human rights matter more than profits and petroleum? To judge by his record, you’d have to say no. In Tillerson’s tenure, ExxonMobil has supported undemocratic regimes, attacked climate science and activists, and stands accused in U.S. courts of complicity in human rights abuses including torture, murder, and sexual assault.

  8. dumboldguy Says:

    Why is it that we so often get into long winded “navel gazing” sessions that distract us from what we need to focus on. The rodent’s rear end does not care when and where civilization began. The ONLY thing that matters is that we are now in the Anthropocene, and I speak not of its beginnings some 10 or 11 thousand years ago when humans developed agriculture and began to live in large groups, but the narrower definitions that say it began around the time of the industrial revolution and the mass burning of fossil fuels, or around WW2 when technology and global capitalism really began to take off and destroy the planet. NONE of this navel-gazing at the past matters when we are looking at the prospect of the cataclysm that Trump’s election and the Repugnants’ control of Congress is going to bring.

    IMO, in terms of impact on human society, it will be the equivalent of the asteroid that wiped out the dinosaurs. and if the climate deniers do their dirtiest it will add up over time to impacting the biosphere as severely.

    Wake up and smell the swamp gas, folks—–look to the future, because the past now matters little.

  9. Lionel Smith Says:

    …if the climate deniers do their dirtiest it will add up over time to impacting the biosphere as severely.

    Which is dirty indeed, as evil as ‘He-Who-Must-Not-Be-Named’, and they will.

    But humanity has already severely impacted the terrestrial biosphere as seen




    Few realise the house of cards that is so called ‘civilization’.

    • dumboldguy Says:

      Good links, and I have to laugh at the dryness of the scientific language. What they should be saying is WTF! and JFC! and Mankind is F**King up the planet! Mustn’t be vulgar and alarmist, though. If there are ever any future historians around to look back on this time, they will likely be amazed that we frogs sat in the pot so quietly while the water was brought to a boil.

      Which reminds me of a joke that is related (sort of), has a moral and may be useful as a metaphor.

      Rich man goes to a tailor for a custom made suit. Tailor is incompetent, and when the man goes for the final fitting, there are problems.

      Man says, “Left sleeve is three inches short”
      Tailor says, “Just bend your elbow and pull your arm up in the sleeve three inches”
      Man says, “Right leg is three inches short”
      Tailor says, “Bend your knee and scrunch your hip until it matches the other cuff”
      Man says, “Collar and lapels are off to one side”
      Tailor says, “Twist your body and lean your head to the side”

      Man does all of the above, tailor takes his final payment and shoves him out the door, where two little old ladies across the street watch him shambling along.
      One says, “Oh, that poor man, isn’t it a shame he is so handicapped?”
      The other replies “Yes, but doesn’t his suit fit well?”

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