Climate Denial, Racism, Misogyny

November 11, 2016

fountainsmal

Signature of the anti-science crowd.

Like greenhouse gases, hate is a long lived pollutant.

WFTV:

School leaders are investigating after two racist signs, one reading “colored” and one reading “whites only,” were posted above two water fountains at First Coast High School.

A picture of the signs was posted on social media and shared with Action News Jax on Thursday evening. We reached out to Duval County Public Schools to get more information.

DCPS spokesperson Laureen Ricks sent Action News Jax the following statement:

“School is investigating, but it appears to be a prank. Staff immediately removed the notes once it was brought to their attention.”

Harmless pranks continue.

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21 Responses to “Climate Denial, Racism, Misogyny”

  1. dumboldguy Says:

    “Just prankin’ around”, said that son of jimbills’ “good” Trump supporters that put the signs on the drinking fountains. I almost wish I were still in the school administration business—-Trump’s election is going to take the country back to the Wild West days of the 1970’s—-“fun” times then, and I’d love to kick some of their ignorant young asses today.

    Of course, I wouldn’t go back unless they allowed me to carry a hand gun, and put some shotguns and semi-automatic rifles in the school vault in case of a real emergency. I’d want some of my staff armed as well. Welcome to Trump’s America.

    • greenman3610 Says:

      yes. We need to “understand” them.

      • dumboldguy Says:

        I’d “understand” their butts right out the school doors, and take them to court if I could. I mentioned on another thread that I had to deal with a “pussy grabber” only one time, and that was back in the mid-1980’s. After consulting with the victim and her parents, I gave him just a couple of days off, and they were happy with that. Today, I’d make it at least ten days and call in the Special Victims Unit and have them charged with sexual assault. I do not want to believe that what Simone Zavala Nolet said is true. A TEN-YEAR-OLD? We are in deep trouble.

  2. Lionel Smith Says:

    Don’t know if you are aware of this yet but here goes: Hate Map

    jimbills you were saying….?


  3. What we have wrought……….terrifying.😢


  4. I love Harry Reid!

    “If this is going to be a time of healing, we must first put the responsibility for healing where it belongs: at the feet of Donald Trump, a sexual predator who lost the popular vote and fueled his campaign with bigotry and hate,” Reid said.

    Reid’s statement further declared that “white nationalists, Vladimir Putin and ISIS are celebrating Donald Trump’s victory” in Tuesday’s election, “while innocent, law-abiding Americans are wracked with fear.”

    https://www.yahoo.com/news/harry-reid-rips-donald-trump-for-unleashing-tide-of-hate-151817501.html

  5. redskylite Says:

    Don’t go back, you’ve already done the paradigm shift into the 21st Century.

    This is where (Some of) you were in the 20th.. . .

    You’re a great country now, but don’t regress, learn from recent history.

    Account from the English town I grew up in. .

    ……………………………………………………On the night of February 28, 1944, war broke out on the streets of Leicester as black and white American soldiers fought pitched battles. It was the first race riot of the modern age. At least 12 servicemen were knifed. The American Red Cross Club, in Granby Street, was wrecked. The following day, Lt Col Herbert Batcheller issued every paratrooper from the all-white 82nd Airborne Division a pass out for the evening. We can only guess at his intentions, but the upshot was all too clear. Leicester was swamped with men hell-bent on exacting bloody retribution. “There wasn’t much trouble after that,” recalls Albert, then a sergeant on the white side of the military divide. Shortly afterwards, black supply and service units, based in Gaddesby, were transferred 28 miles away to Kettering.It was reported that they broke into an armoury in Kettering, stealing guns to take revenge on the Airborne. Roadblocks were set up on the A6. On Monday, May 1, 1944, a white US military policeman was murdered by a black soldier in Humberstone Road, according to a blink-and-you’d-miss-it report in the Mercury. Another man died of “self-inflicted” injuries as the military policemen were restoring order. The incident was investigated by US authorities and classified as “no crime,” in accordance with Home Office instructions. Jock Joiner, then a young CID detective working out of Charles Street police station in the city, remembers the violence all too well. “They were buggers,” he says. “The whites hated the coloureds and the coloureds hated the whites. There was a lot of trouble. “A lot of the blacks I met were very decent people.” Today, the tinderbox of imported race-hate, which exploded into bloodshed in the months leading up to D-Day, is a black hole in the history of the Second World War, an inky truth buried in the small print of military records long since shipped back to the United States. “I don’t think it is something they are particularly proud of,” says a helpful curator at the Imperial War Museum. He advises the Mercury to try the Library of Congress in Washington, but warns not to hold out much hope. He is proved right. Inquiries to military museums in the US draw similar blanks.The war, according to sepia-tinted myth, saw the Allies stand shoulder to shoulder against fascism. Few wish to be reminded of a dark chapter in America’s history which saw black men, still denied the vote in the segregated South, treated like second-class citizens by their so-called comrades in arms here in the UK. It survives largely in the minds of those who saw the unvarnished reality at first-hand. Trevor Green witnessed it as a small boy growing up in Gallards Hill, opposite Braunstone Park, where black and white units came to be based. “We found it strange seeing the Americans fighting among themselves,” says the 67-year-old. “We all got on with the blacks. It was hard to see why the white GIs were so uptight about them. “The whites detested the blacks. Most of the trouble came from them. There were a lot of fights in the Shoulder of Mutton pub. “One night, we heard lots of activity. We all drifted out to watch it. They were tearing into one another outside the pub. Then the military policemen turned up. They started wading into the blacks and the whites. You’ve never seen anything like it.” There was a fight between blacks and whites nearly every Saturday afternoon by the Clock Tower, according to Pauline Cox. “There would be bottles and glasses flying,” says the 74-year-old. “I remember it as if it was yesterday.” “It seemed like the white American soldiers’ one objective in life was to humiliate the blacks,” remembers a former gunner officer in the Home Guard, who was detailed to guard the US base at Scraptoft.Around the locals these good ‘ole boys were often the living, breathing embodiment of gracious Southern hospitality – but behind every “can I help you, ma’am?” kindness lurked something darker, he recalls. “I was in the canteen at Stoughton Aerodrome once,” says the 84-year-old Leicester man, who asks not to be named. “There was a coloured chap eating his dinner in the corner. Four white guys came in, tipped his tray over and kicked his chair right from under him. “Anyway, being a pugnacious type, me and three of my pals took it up with them. We half-wrecked the place.” Len Johnson’s dad was head barman at the Braunstone Hotel during the war. “Coloureds and whites were allowed in together for the first month,” he says. “There was a lot of trouble. They let them out on separate nights after that.” Violence was rife wherever black and white units came into contact, according to Floyd Thomas, curator of military history at the National Afro-American Museum and Cultural Center in Ohio. “It happened in France, it happened in Italy and it happened in the UK,” he says. “The plain truth is that black men were fighting for freedoms they did not yet have themselves.” Black ordnance and quartermaster units landed in Leicestershire months before the paratroopers, paving the way for the whites’ arrival by setting up camps.Deryk Wills, of Oadby, an expert on the 82nd Airborne and honorary life member of the division’s association, says: “They came in and found the blacks in charge of the dance halls and the pubs and the women.” The men from the 82nd – nicknamed the “All Americans” – came primarily from the southern states, he explains. They were mainly farm boys who had lived through the depression. They joined the Airborne because Uncle Sam paid an extra $50 every time you jumped out of a plane. Seeing those black men, seen and not heard at home, talking to local girls, well, “it was bound to get hairy,” says Deryk. Albert, who served with the 504 Parachute Infantry Regiment in Italy, is adamant the bad blood went a lot deeper than that. They had a hell of a time in Italy, he says. Bodies – black and white – would often be found floating in the bay. It got so bad over there, he says, they were not allowed out without a sidearm and a knife. They were strafed by the enemy one time, he recalls. He claims the black truck drivers who were meant to be carrying them around drove off and left the white boys stranded. “I don’t know if it was the same quartermasters we had in Leicester,” says Albert, from his home in California. “They might well have been. When we turned up in the UK, we found them wearing our boots.It didn’t sit so good when they told us we could go out one night and they could go out one night. England was a lovely, clean country. We wanted to be able to enjoy that.” That, he says, is the God’s honest truth. Ernest Andrews, a black quartermaster in the war, remembers it very differently. “Well,” says the 84-year-old, from his home in New York, “I’ll tell you what I know: White guys tell a lot of lies. That’s what got us all riled up. This wasn’t the South. We weren’t going to take that. “The local people were very friendly,” adds Ernest. “I think they was a little afraid at first, but then we got on just fine. They treated us just as nice as you could treat us. “But the white and the black Americans – they had to be kept apart. If we were out together, it was war. There was going to be a fight. “I never was able to figure that out – and that’s the truth. We were all supposed to be fighting on the same side. “Why did there have to be segregation in the first place? We’re all human beings – just different colours, that’s all.<and their is a link to this group because our very own Harry Johnson helped clear the blood up.

    http://www.leicestermercury.co.uk/hidden-history-race-streets/story-26385102-detail/story.html

    • dumboldguy Says:

      Those race riots in the UK during WW2 are actually small potatoes in the history of racism in the U.S. Take some time to look into lynchings in the U.S., which, except for some frontier justice in the late 1800’s where some white rustlers and horse thieves were hung, has been mostly a white on black thing.

      And it wasn’t enough to simply hang blacks, the white mobs often whipped them, castrated them, shot them full of holes, and burned the bodies. Lynching pf blacks was considered a spectator event for many southern whites. That’s the history that fueled the UK army riots. Some numbers to start with.

      http://law2.umkc.edu/Faculty/projects/ftrials/shipp/lynchingyear.html

  6. jimbills Says:

    One more attempt. I think every time I include the name of a particular woman climate scientist who lives in Lubbock, my post fails. I will refer to her as KHH here:

    Guys – this is the last I’ll mention this, so do what you want. My thoughts on this matter are a only warning about your effectiveness towards reaching outside of your current group. If you only want to cater to those currently within your group, then fine, keep posting everything you can find about how everyone sucks but you and your fellow Clinton voters. If you’d like to try and reach others, though, maybe consider that ostracizing others, and believing or insinuating that anyone who voted for Trump is defective in some way, will serve more to turn them off than on to what you have to say about climate change.

    You don’t have to understand them. You just need to approach them as fellow humans.

    I often think people like KHH are the only hope this country has, because they get it. Talking down to people won’t work. Talking with them might.

    There are plenty of racists in this country. There are many climate deniers, or at least people who are skeptical about climate change due mostly to their sphere of influence. These two sections do overlap, and I’m not addressing this intersection. They are pretty much hopeless. But there are many people in the Trump voting bloc who are not at least overtly racist, who would never dream of posting signs like that, and who might run across posts like this.

    I’m telling you – they will be turned off by it, and any hope you have of convincing them about the reality of climate change will be lost.

    The world is NOT black and white. It’s every shade in between. And just because you voted one way, and they voted the other way, doesn’t mean they are all of the same variety. If you hope to get real action about climate change, you’ll need those people one day, and they’ll need a site they can go to and learn about climate change without being mocked.

    • redskylite Says:

      With respect JB, I’ve been following these postings for quite a few years. Peter donates a lot of his time and makes short informative videos. I have never felt him to be talking down to anyone. This is far far bigger than just the U.S.A many followers are from around the world. He has devoted so much blood sweat and tears to this if he is feeling highly pissed off, I can understand. Highly educated scientists, apart from the like of the one you mentioned in your post, may appear to be talking down, because they have had no or insufficient training in communications, but Peter does fine. It should not be his job educating the masses, that should come from and be urged by the media, press and governments in your country and mine. Peter should be enjoying the wonderful leisure that mankind has achieved with the introduction of computers (super or not), sadly that has enlarged the unemployment lines instead (and probably elected our strange haircut man from mars). It is not Peter’s job to educate, not his responsibility. He does it because something drives him to do it. Something deep in the heart. I hope it is still there after this grievous setback.


    • Interesting conundrum that you present here, Jim. How do we address the racism, misogyny, xenophobia and so on of some Trump supporters without alienating those Trump supporters who do not self-identify as racist, misogynistic, xenophobic or whatever?

      Perhaps we just should not speak publicly of such things!

      That’ll learn ’em.

    • otter17 Says:

      I made a longer reply in the earlier thread “Teaching… with Trump”, but to sum it up here.

      You might have to ask, but I don’t think Peter’s intention here is to alienate the good people among the Trump voters, but to illustrate the facts and the case evidence that their fellow travelers do seem to hold these views. I know my sister has been having buyer’s remorse since voting for Trump. She was rightfully uneasy at first, but didn’t really do any honest homework on the issue and just voted for the usual team. Seeing some of these stories from Facebook and other news articles has really caused a good deal of buyers remorse. Strangely, she is also an engineer that is focused on sustainable manufacturing and feels climate change needs strong action. The Trump support may stem from the shaming that other family members put upon people for daring to think any different from the party line. The parents can be deplorables at times, and I say that with a heavy heart.

      So, the message isn’t “look at how bad all you Trump people are; shame on you and never join our club again”. The message is, “look at how bad some of these Trump people are behaving; come to your senses and join us to actually use science and reason, sans the hate, to come to an agreement on major solutions”.

      • jimbills Says:

        Okay. If you were trying to talk to your parents or you sister about climate change and its importance, would you even use the term “deplorables” in that conversation? Or would you hold it to yourself? If so, why?

        Would you lead them to posts like this, or the several the several like posts that precede it, to help your case? Do you really think it would help? Or would they just further close themselves off from your arguments about climate change?

        THAT is my point.

        All of this stuff about the worst elements in Trump’s camp is elsewhere. It’s being widely reported. It is not being ignored by our society, and it should be addressed. But the case for fighting climate change is already on the most tenuous of strands as it is. Why is it advantageous to add strain to it?

        • jimbills Says:

          add “as a national priority” after “case for fighting climate change”

        • jimbills Says:

          And one final thing, and this is the last thing I’ll say about this, is the observation that climate change denial and racism would intersect isn’t a groundbreakingly unique observation in any way.

          Most climate change denial in the country exists in its rural parts, and a lot of racism exists there as well. No freaking duh many climate change deniers are racists.

          But there are various degrees of racism, and everyone has some level of racism in themselves if they are truly honest with themselves. Many people, though, even in the rural parts of the country, are willing to give others of different races respect and to treat them as their neighbor. These are are the people that we should try to reach when it comes to climate change – and there plenty of them out there, as well as the many people who voted for Obama in 2008 and 2012, but voted for Trump in 2016:
          http://townhall.com/tipsheet/mattvespa/2016/11/11/2016-the-revenge-white-working-class-voter-where-millions-of-obama-supporters-also-voted-for-trump-n2244205

          Trump will be eminently beatable in 2020. Do we do that by isolating ourselves as the just and them as the unwashed?

        • otter17 Says:

          I did not use the term deplorable in the context of climate change in my previous post, so the question is malformed, but no. Deplorable or whatever appropriate adjective is reserved for uses of overt racism or becoming angry with those daring to speak up.

          As in my other post, I think that you are in rough agreement with a good chunk of the folks here and elsewhere on the issue. You have a somewhat different tactical opinion, which is fine, but you are also stating things about Peter’s and others intentions that don’t appear to be intended.

          You say that the worst elements of Trump’s camp should be addressed (and that it is being addressed elsewhere). Well, on the climate change front, we have a non-trivial amount of people that voted for Hillary Clinton that are unsure about climate change. Look at the percentages from studies on this. We have a section of the Trump voters that are actually just unsure about climate change, too. I don’t think highlighting the insane views and actions of folks in climate denial hurts the open-minded folks’ feelings in either camp and doesn’t serve to insulate us. It is just stating the fact that climate denial has some very strange fellow travelers that probably aren’t ever going to be plied out of their insulated chambers until they are outnumbered.

          Hence, it has appeared from the beginning that Peter has worked on his videos and other fact-finding endeavors to work from the middle towards the more extreme denial end. We simply don’t think the unsure people are going to have their feelings hurt by just stating the denial/racism correlation, because they are probably not in denial or racists. I would imagine you would agree that working from the middle onward is the better tactic than working from extreme denial towards the middle, yes?

  7. Lionel Smith Says:

    Must be hitting a spam trap for some reason jim, I just guessed who and that vanished into the nets black hole.

  8. Gingerbaker Says:

    JimBills is quite right. Many tens of millions of Trump voters would be better served by a proper Democratic Party or a New Progressive Party. And we need their votes. It’s pretty simple.

    More importantly, seeing the results of this election as the triumph of bigotry means you are still reciting the Clinton campaign’s narrative and it is bullshit.

    Trump was elected because the voters didn’t want the same old neoliberal shit sandwich. The DNC deliberately gave them the quintessential poster child for it, though, as they undemocratically and secretly torpedoed the only Democratic candidate who could easily win the election – Sanders.

    And, nobody wants to hear Donna Brazile’s stupid, tired pet theories about why Sanders was “unelectable”. Nathan Robinson absolutely nailed it back in February:

    http://static.currentaffairs.org/2016/02/unless-the-democrats-nominate-sanders-a-trump-nomination-means-a-trump-presidency

    Is Trump a bigot, a misogynist, an anti-semite? Almost certainly – look at his statements and look at who raised him. Are lots of Trump voters bigots, misogynists? You bet. But that is not the main reason why they voted for him.

    They voted for him because, as Thomas Frank, author of “What’s the Matter with Kansas?” and the topically trenchant “Listen, Liberal: Or, What Ever Happened to the Party of the People?” explains:

    “Hillary Clinton was exactly the wrong candidate: a technocrat who offered fine-tuning when the country wanted to take a sledgehammer to the machine”

    [https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2016/nov/09/donald-trump-white-house-hillary-clinton-liberals]


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