King of Climate Denial: “We’re in Bad Shape if next Pres is Dem”

September 28, 2016

Good time to review my interview of a year ago with Uber Climate Denier Marc Morano. If you’re talking to Morano, who is unapologetically frank about his agenda – you are hearing the voice of fossil fuel Megalith.

Some readers still buy the “pox on both their houses” idea about this election, –
the fossil fuel industry knows that is definitely not so, and would very much like you Johnson/Stein folks to stay strong and express your inner child. Have no doubt that some of the “green” attacks on Hillary Clinton come, in fact, from a very black place.

Horse’s mouth. “politically we’re in bad shape if the next President is a Democrat,…we’re in VERY bad shape..”.

“It all comes down to the next President.”

They know what the stakes are – and they are swinging for the fences with Donald Trump – they want it all, and will take it all if we let them.


16 Responses to “King of Climate Denial: “We’re in Bad Shape if next Pres is Dem””

  1. Magma Says:

    Morano is surprisingly open and honest on the politics of climate change obstruction. And then he makes the ridiculous claim that “skeptics are actually winning this debate scientifically”.

  2. metzomagic Says:

    The last time I tried to point out the dangers of not voting for the Democratic candidate because they weren’t ideologically enough to the left for you (remember how Ralph Nader, with only 2.75% of the popular vote, sucked just enough votes away from Gore to give Bush the presidency in 2000?), I was told by a very special snowflake that I was a fascist. Along with a few other choice NSFW words. Basically, I was told “This is a free country, don’t you try to tell me how to vote!”.

    These people don’t seem to understand the realities of casting your vote in a two party, first past the post system. A vote for Stein is effectively the same as not voting at all. At least we have Johnson this time to potentially suck votes away from Trump. But Johnson is dumber than a bag of hammers, and Republican voters might just twig that :-\

    • dumboldguy Says:

      Well said, and needs repeating as many times as necessary to get the “very special snow flakes” to understand the realities of politics in this country.


      Did you hear that, all you Snow Flakes that want to “send a message”? Go spray paint your “message” on the nearest highway overpass abutment where it can do no real harm—-throwing your vote away by voting for Stein (or writing in Bernie or Mickey Mouse) is not a sign of moral superiority, a superior intellect, or anything else of value—–it’s just self-absorbed, know-nothing, and childish petulance.

      I will also ask the Jill Lovers—-Did you watch the debate? Can you get over the brainwashing and lies about Clinton that have clouded your minds and objectively look at what Trump showed himself to be? IMO, Anyone who is willing to give him the slightest chance by NOT voting for Hillary is not just misguided but traitorous.

      • webej Says:

        > “get over the brainwashing and lies about Clinton”

        So now there really is a conspiracy against Clinton! I would think on a climate blog people would be wary of embracing unfounded conspiracies. And Russia is pulling all the strings, no? So it is good to pursue more war-mongering and regime change policies against all the evil (not-US) people. What would nuclear confrontation with Russia do for the climate?

        • dumboldguy Says:

          Yes, Junior, there really IS a “vast right wing conspiracy”—–against Clinton particularly for ~25 years, but it goes beyond her to be a conspiracy against all liberal and progressive efforts and the “greater good” in this country—-it has been running for some 45 years now, and it began back in Reagan’s time with folks like Abramoff and Norquist and the Libertarian billionaires like the Kochs. It took time out from attacking Clinton to abuse Obama and the country for the eight years of his presidency, but it’s back to focusing on Clinton again.

          I responded to one of your inane comments on another thread by asking you how old you are, because you sounded like a comparative child (and still do here)—-it’s good to be concerned about the sorry state of the country and the world, but your naive little rants are tiresome. I think I said to you something like “get educated and grow up”—-it’s still good advice.

          For example, only someone who is drunk on their own imagined “intellectual prowess” would say something like “I would think on a climate blog people would be wary of embracing unfounded conspiracies”.

          First, putting “unfounded” in front of conspiracies is foolish, because all it tells us is that YOU, in your confirmation bias, refuse to accept the clear evidence that there IS in fact a conspiracy against Clinton, and that it has been going on since long before you were born.

          Second, you must not spend much time visiting “climate blogs”, certainly not Crock, or you would understand that there are indeed a number of ongoing “conspiracies” afoot in the land—-Trump and his supporters against nearly all that is right and good in this country, the Repugnants against the greater good in favor of the rich, the corporations and the rich against the 99%, and most importantly here on Crock, the climate change deniers against the truth about AGW.

          Those of us who lived through WW2 and the Cold War and all the rest of the history can do nothing but laugh at your “Russia pulling strings-war mongering-regime change-evil-what would nuclear confrontation do for the planet” bullshit. Did you make that up yourself or pluck it from some rabid left wing site?

          I will repeat myself:

          It’s good to be concerned about the sorry state of the country and the world, but your naive little rants are tiresome. I said to you something like “get educated and grow up”—-it’s still good advice.

        • metzomagic Says:

          I’m guessing the only way webej could get a thumbs up for his inane posts is if there is someone even more stupid lurking here. The other possibility is that webej is giving a thumbs up to him/her/its self, which is pretty sad (but expected) if that’s the case.

    • Good post. I differ with you on one point –>”A vote for Stein is effectively the same as not voting at all.”.

      As someone who pays too much attention to the damn election, I have to disagree. Pundits are saying that a vote for Stein will actually assist Trump in achieving his goal.

      Therefore, people voting for Stein or Johnson just DON’T. You will not only be technically voting for a fascist, misogynist dumbass, but you will be voting to imperil the planet even further as Trumpler doesn’t give a damn if it goes down.

    • webej Says:

      Problem with the political system is that people have been choosing the lesser of two evils like forever. What does that bring? A whole lot more evil. Selecting the blue or the red team doesn’t change the nature of the game itself, and that’s where the problem is: corrupt narrow-interest crony group think, benefitting some small private interests and to hell with the rest (of the world).

      • dumboldguy Says:

        LIKE get educated and LIKE grow up. (The use of LIKE in this way is very revealing—-you are the only Crock commenter in memory to do so).

        Those of us who are better educated and more grown up than you DO recognize that things are F**Ked up. Having you scurrying around with your childish rants like a puppy nipping at our shoelaces without offering any real insights or solutions wastes our time.

        Did you even watch the Morono clip? Don’t you understand that he is an unqualified NON scientist running what he calls a climate change blog, and that it’s really a front for the fossil fuel interests, who are ALL on the red team? Have you read Merchants of Doubt? Dark Money? Can you be that naive?

      • If you want to change the choices you have, there are two routes you can take that actually have a chance at working:

        First, you can build a new party from the ground up. This means accepting that you aren’t going to be electing a President for a long time, (you might have someone start running, but this is about the point that they should be bowing out and saying “vote for {main party candadate}”). Instead, you work to elect people at lower levels to show that you actually know what you are doing. Don’t go for the White House without congresspeople and governors, don’t go for those without state legislators and big city mayors, don’t go for those without city councillors, town mayors and town councils.

        Second, work to destroy the ‘other party'[1] to help trigger a Democratic Party split. This is how all but two of the parties that actually had federal power in the US came about, sometime involving the splinter merging with an up and coming new party or the remnants of the old competing party.

        The good news is that you can do both at the same time.

        Simply insisting on having a third party go from 0 to running the country in nothing flat is a recipe for pointless vanity campaigns.

        [1] For most of its history, federal politics has been a contest between the Democratic Party, (originally known as the Democratic-Republican Party), and another party.

  3. dumboldguy Says:

    Marc Morono, the gift that keeps on giving. You should be a bit ashamed of yourself for “owning” and using him the way you do, but he DOES love to run his mouth, so I guess it’s really on him.

    He’s right about the deniers winning politically—-and not just on climate change but in many other areas of societal concern—-guns, family and women’s issues, dirty money in politics, income and wealth inequality—-if the right is not outright winning, they are certainly slowing progress in many areas to a crawl.

    As far as winning scientifically, (remembering that Morono has NO-NADA-ZILCH scientific creds at all), he’s just another parrot, endlessly repeating the big lie until his fellow morons believe it to be true. That does NOT constitute a “science win”, but is instead another victory in the ongoing psy-war employed by the 1% against the rest of us.

    I hope that he will give you an interview at some time in the future when the SHTF and we are having multiple global climate catastrophes and people are dying by the tens of thousands daily. And I hope I’m around to hear him try to spin that into a “win” for the deniers.

    • addledlady Says:

      Talking about the SHTF moments. South Australia fortunately has only a small population, 1.6 million. We were warned a couple of days ago that an impending storm would be the worst for 50 years.

      Surprise, surprise, it exceeded all expectations. A small twin tornado event took several roofs off houses at the corner of a small country town (many small country towns in SA are laid out in a square, copycatting Adelaide itself) so they got off a bit more lightly than they would have if the storm system had tracked a kilometre to the side. However, out away from any towns, the winds took down 22 of those massive high voltage pylons – and tripped the fail safe mechanisms including disconnecting the Victorian interconnector. Otherwise known as a complete, instantaneous, state-wide blackout requiring graduated reintroduction of power to the grid on a step by careful step basis.

      And, whaddya know, the damned system took a deep breath and sat down and kept on making life miserable for the poor sods in the north and west of the state as well as flooding all the areas near Adelaide that were flooded a couple of weeks ago. Our power came back on after 6 hours but some people will be without power for possibly 3 days the way things stand at the moment.

      The mr and I had a *serious* talk while we were sitting in the dark – the power came back at 10pm. We will certainly be upgrading our small solar system – but now we’re definitely going to wait until we have enough money/ the trials of the system we have in mind are finished so that we can have one of those nifty computer-controlled panels + battery arrangements. The system itself delivers and sells power into the grid as and when the price is good and power is available _and_ in the case of catastrophic fire risk days or storms knocking out the transmission system we can switch over to operating independently of the grid. We honestly had not thought of the possibility of the whole grid going down, unsurprising since it’s never happened in any Australian state before, but we really _should_ have anticipated that more severe storms will have these kind of never-before impacts.

      • dumboldguy Says:

        Yes, an unusual event in the driest part of the driest state in the driest country/continent on the planet.

        And the word is that some of your moron politicians are trying to blame it on some wind turbine failures rather than the failure of those pylons and the transmission lines they supported?

        • “Electricity expert (senator) Barnaby Joyce said there were any number of factors that could have contributed to the power going out, with the fact that electricity wires were actually cut in half potentially amongst them.” 😂

          • dumboldguy Says:

            You are of course joking about Barnaby Jones being an “electricity expert”. He would fit right in with the Repugnants in the U.S. Senate who deal with science and energy issues, and would be highly valued by them for his “expertise”, since they have little or none either. James Inhofe, move over!

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