Miami’s Mayor on “Sunny Day Flooding”

June 12, 2016

Above, video with nice graphics explaining Florida’s conundrum, interviews with city officials.

Below, my video broke the “you can’t say climate change in Florida” story 4 months before it went mainstream.

Traveling today, updating as I can.

 

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15 Responses to “Miami’s Mayor on “Sunny Day Flooding””

  1. dumboldguy Says:

    Yes, nice graphics in the video and nice interviews with personable city officials.

    The mindless bright-sidedness they display is appalling, however. Of course they need to be “boosters” and put a good face on the problem with all their optimism and “Look at the ENGINEERING solutions we’re implementing”, but they are all kidding themselves.

    Maybe that crazy FL governor really does have the right idea—-just don’t allow anyone to mention sea level rise or climate change and the problem will go away. Problem solved, right? LOL

    • indy222 Says:

      Tyndall Climate Centre’s Prof. Kevin Anderson’s excellent video interviews were important in educating me on how “follow the money” applies to these happy-visage policy talks. Scientists respond to the truth or falseness of what they’re studying, or they’ll be ridiculed by their own. Policy people, however, answer to (read – are paid by) politicians and those who answer to them. They only want to hear happy stories, regardless of the facts. Because climate changes so slowly (in human terms), they can get away with it, till their political term is over. So too can international climate negotiators make empty promises of where their country will be, since they’ll mostly all be DEAD by then, and their empty promises – induced outrage will fall on deaf (dead) ears.

      • redskylite Says:

        Agreed, a good summation of some politicians attitude, only don’t be so sure that SLR will remain so gradual in rising in the future, no guarantee of continued near linear increases, maybe politicians need to note and become a little more enthusiastic in facing the problem.

        “The pace of sea level rise accelerated beginning in the 1990s, coinciding with acceleration in glacier and ice sheet melting. However, it’s uncertain whether that acceleration will continue, driving faster and faster sea level rise, or whether internal glacier and ice sheet dynamics (not to mention natural climate variability) will lead to “pulses” of accelerated melting interrupted by slow downs.”

        https://www.climate.gov/news-features/understanding-climate/climate-change-global-sea-level

    • indy222 Says:

      oh, DOG! Don’t you just LOVE the marimba music? Doesn’t it just make you want to dance, and feel so so HAPPY about our future? C’mon – turn that frown upside down!

    • andrewfez Says:

      Wait until the insurance companies and the FFIP get bailed out, a la 2008 (TARP) whilst everyone’s property value nose dives, black swan style. Properties that aren’t anywhere near the water will get dragged down in the selfsame fashion, since they’re tied at the hip with the front line, via their flood insurance.

    • andrewfez Says:

      Here’s a model everyone might like: https://youtu.be/0EzoHXEzdwY

      • andrewfez Says:

        My video didn’t auto-pop from the link, but it’s a engineering model of how ground water flows under a bulkhead like barrier where there is an overground hydrostatic pressure differential regarding each side of the bulkhead. It flows in a parabolic pathway with the water furthest away from the bulkhead traveling deepest underground only to emerge on the surface at a selfsame distance on the other side.

  2. lracine Says:

    Yes… Miami is doomed… It is built on low lying porous limestone… all the sea walls, check valves and pumps are not going to keep back the rising sea levels… the the soil is like a sieve…

    I did not hear the Mayor talk about salt water intrusion into their drinking water water wells…

    http://pubs.usgs.gov/sir/2014/5025/

  3. redskylite Says:

    If you have a bit of money to throw at the problem, it will delay the inevitable, good engineering support, from people like the Dutch (who have plenty of first hand experience helps). Eventually Miami is for the floating home and (very) waterproof basement high rise dwellers, and globally many others face the same inevitable fate. Helps to have plenty of funds in hand, and a sympathetic local government organization, probably not deniers.

    “A man whose million-dollar beachfront property on Sydney’s northern beaches was damaged by king tides says he and his neighbors are happy to chip in for the construction of a seawall.

    Collaroy resident Tony Cagorski lost more than 10 metres of his yard during the weekend’s wild weather, undermining the foundations of his home.”

    http://www.smh.com.au/environment/weather/sydney-storm-collaroy-residents-happy-to-pay-for-seawall-20160608-gpefxp.html

    • redskylite Says:

      Now “nuisance flooding” as described by NOAA is clearly (EL NINO or not) on the increase. While it is extremely inconvenient, it is bearable (just), but once foundations are damaged (especially of million dollar beachfront properties) and homeowners boundaries shortened, it becomes more than just a nuisance. It is the legacy of relentless Sea Level Rise that scientists warnings have been falling on deaf ears for so long.

      “Nuisance flooding, which causes such public inconveniences as frequent road closures, overwhelmed storm drains and compromised infrastructure, now occurs with high tides in many locations due to climate-related sea level rise, land subsidence, and the loss of natural barriers.”

      http://www.noaa.gov/el-ni%C3%B1o-made-nuisance-itself-2015

  4. andrewfez Says:

    400M dollars for 400K people to bear in Miami. $1000 per person is their carbon tax for just this project alone. They better send the cops out to get more aggressive with parking and didn’t-use-your-blinker-when-turning tickets.


    • I believe the expenditure was for Miami Beach, a different city from Miami. Miami Beach population is around 90,000. So more like $4000 per person.

      The handwaving about the next generation appears to be some sort of survival mechanism in South Florida. Nobody wants real estate they own to be considered doomed by the market.

      The insurance companies can pull the plug on South Florida, abruptly, and some day they will. I’m no economist but I can imagine this popping a lot of bubbles elsewhere, some climate related, and some just financial equity alone.

      • andrewfez Says:

        It’ll be a positive feedback effect, where they pull out of Miami, that will spook every other coastal community up and down the Atlantic and values will plunge. Then two things occur: 1) premiums get reassessed based on the lower values meaning less money for the insurance companies making them weaker to respond to emergencies and 2) counties will be taking in significantly less tax revenue from property tax. This will mean Miami-Dade won’t be in a position financially to continue to engineer around the problem; same for everywhere else. It will be like 2008 but without a recovery.

  5. dumboldguy Says:

    “oh, DOG! Don’t you just LOVE the marimba music? Doesn’t it just make you want to dance, and feel so so HAPPY about our future? C’mon – turn that frown upside down!”

    Very funny, but the people of Miami have NO long-term future, and as Andrew says, that’s going to impact everyone else’s future.. lracine stated the problem clearly and succinctly, and everyone else who chipped in with a comment has expanded on it nicely.. Redsky rightly brings up the idea of “non-linearity” (i.e. chaotic and exponential change), and once the SHTF in Miami, it will be game over, as it will be for so many other cities around the world. The Doomsday Clock keeps inching closer to midnight.

    PS One thing is clear. Donald Trump and his ilk will make money on the coming collapse of South Florida. They will “make deals”, declare bankruptcy, and leave the little man and the government holding the bag.


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