#BNEFSummit – New Energy Summit in NYC, First Look

April 5, 2016

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Twitter is alight with snips from the ongoing Bloomberg New Energy Finance Summit in New York.  Here are some screen shots from Michael Liebreich’s overview presentation.

Hopefully more soon.

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7 Responses to “#BNEFSummit – New Energy Summit in NYC, First Look”

  1. nancylaplaca Says:

    You rock, Peter Sinclair!

  2. lracine Says:

    Lets start with the first chart…

    MW of Solar installed versus Price.

    First, Bloomberg does not cite the source of the data used to create the chart (which is truly unfortunate… ), so the the only other creditable data is at the EIA… are the numbers close???

    https://www.eia.gov/electricity/data/browser/

    No they are not… so please explain the discrepancy… if you look at the the EIA’s numbers the actually installed generating Solar Capacity has declined since last year, both in distributive and utility generation… I find this very troublesome on many different levels… and I think this is worth further investigation.

    It is very difficult to come up with a satisfactory solution to an issue if you do not grasp all of the complexities of the problem…

    Next, look at how the “installed” curve flattens out after 2006 and look at the steep decline in “cost”… (also not defined, net installed “turn key cost”? PV panel cost… what does “cost” mean/include ?????)…. in an “ideal” world the curves should be inverse of each other.. this is not the case from 2006 on…. Why?????

    Tesla cars… (rolling eyes)… has anyone looked at the total carbon foot print of the vehicle???? Really guys!!!! I happen to have been wrenching cars all my life and have a very fine appreciation for the trills of “the blessed Gods of acceleration” (the love of the sound of a high lift, long duration cam is why I became a mech engineer.. a long long time ago…. lol) but this really is not the time to be screwing around with that kind of nonsense….

    To steal a quote from Kevin Anderson of the Tyndall Institute of Climate Change… this is “Eloquent Fluff”….. I would describe this presentation more crassly, “Chart Porn”…..

    This is a bit of an eye opener…

    “Kevin Anderson on The Unforgiving Math For Staying Under 2 Degrees ”

    One last point… the total US Electrical Generating Capacity is 350,863 thousand megawatt hours…. of which 2,388 thousand megawatt hours is solar……

    Can we scale up the renewable electrical generation… I believe we can but not with these kinds of half baked “snake oil peddler” efforts…..

    We are in “Waist Deep in the Big Muddy” boys and groups like Bloomberg Finance and Musk are the “Captain”…. big fools…..

    • ubrew12 Says:

      “…grasp all of the complexities of the problem…” The primary complexity is EIA is talking about the U.S., while the Bloomberg graphs (except where noted) are global. Here’s the pdf of the entire talk:
      http://about.bnef.com/content/uploads/sites/4/2016/04/BNEF-Summit-Keynote-2016.pdf
      Page 60 is the graph you’re referring to. It ends at 100GW solar installed at present. Page 64 shows ‘global solar’ actual installed at a similar value (though its hard to tell). So, I think they’re referring to global installed capacity.
      Page 50 is an ‘energy mix’ chart for present, 2040, and 2100. They indicate fossils are not going away anytime soon, but expect a ramping up this century of nuclear and renewables. Agreed that these efforts are ‘too little, too late’, but ‘any Port in a Storm’…

    • Gingerbaker Says:

      “Tesla cars… (rolling eyes)… has anyone looked at the total carbon foot print of the vehicle???? Really guys!!!!”

      Please tell me what percent of that carbon footprint you bewail is permanently unavailable to carbon-free renewable energy AND significantly larger than an ICE large sedan – and then we’ll talk.

      • ubrew12 Says:

        HALF of the CO2 released by a regular car is released BEFORE the fuel ever enters the cars tank. People besmirching electric vehicles tend to forget that.

  3. kevinboyce Says:

    lracine: The page you link to at eia.gov does not show installed capacity, nor does it show data from this year, so why you think it contradicts the graphs shown above is difficult to understand.

    Nor does it show generation from solar power decreasing since last year. Unless you mean that the generated power decreases from October through January. In which case you’ve just discovered that the sun does not provide as much energy in winter. Rest assured that we know that already.

    But then, you also stated generating capacity (which has units of power) in watt-hours, which has units of energy. I strongly recommend you do a little more learning before the next time you comment at length on this subject. Here’s one that might get you started:

    http://www.nmsea.org/Curriculum/Primer/How_is_electrical_energy_measured.htm


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