Clinton Campaign Calls Out GOP’s Mad (not a) Scientists

July 28, 2015

Pretty decent satirical video slamming the cluelessness of current Republican presidential candidates, – apparently part of the Hillary Clinton messaging apparatus – good for them for paying attention to what polls now tell us – the climate concerned are now the American “Moral Majority”.

More evidence that climate change is moving to center stage in a presidential campaign – the Democratic candidates are moving confidently into an area where the Republicans have no credible program or response, and where a majority of Americans now feel a moral imperative.

Reuters:

A significant majority of Americans say combating climate change is a moral issue that obligates them – and world leaders – to reduce carbon emissions, a Reuters/IPSOS poll has found.

francisdove   The poll of 2,827 Americans was conducted in February to measure the impact of moral language, including interventions by Pope Francis, on the climate change debate. In recent months, the pope has warned about the moral consequences of failing to act on rising global temperatures, which are expected to disproportionately affect the lives of the world’s poor.

The result of the poll suggests that appeals based on ethics could be key to shifting the debate over climate change in the United States, where those demanding action to reduce carbon emissions and those who resist it are often at loggerheads.

Two-thirds of respondents (66 percent) said that world leaders are morally obligated to take action to reduce CO2 emissions. And 72 percent said they were “personally morally obligated” to do what they can in their daily lives to reduce emissions.

“When climate change is viewed through a moral lens it has broader appeal,” said Eric Sapp, executive director of the American Values Network, a grassroots organization that mobilizes faith-based communities on politics and policy issues.

“The climate debate can be very intellectual at times, all about economic systems and science we don’t understand. This makes it about us, our neighbors and about doing the right thing.”

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36 Responses to “Clinton Campaign Calls Out GOP’s Mad (not a) Scientists”

  1. dumboldguy Says:

    A “pretty decent” video from the Clinton campaign? Maybe I’m just a senile old guy who is easily amused, but I would call it a great video , one that needs to be spread far and wide among the parts of the populace that can appreciate it.

    I don’t know what the impact will be on the dumb and ignorant—-it will probably reinforce their ignorance and cognitive dissonance—-but it WILL put some heat on the Repugnant candidates and the smarter Repug voters that “get” satire and irony and are beginning to understand AGW.

  2. omnologos Says:

    Clinton is an extremely polarising person and you can rest assured if the says A, millions will immediately be convinced that non-A is the Truth. Her interventions in climate change politics will only make sure no meaningful action is done by any US Government, for many years to come.

    • jpcowdrey Says:

      Yes, maurizio. Haters gonna hate. We get that. Why don’t you?

      • omnologos Says:

        The mystery is why people who want solutions to the climate crisis would cheer for a strategy that’ll make any solution even less likely.

        Gay marriage wasn’t won by exacerbating individuals. It came around when people supported it from all parties. If climate change remains an electoral gimmick, nothing like that is ever likely.

        • Lionel Smith Says:

          “Gay marriage wasn’t won by exacerbating individuals.”

          Omno, you may wish to revise the meaning of exacerbating.

          cue some dismal dismissive in 1…. 2…. 3….


        • Just like afro American rights were not won by being vocal about it?

          Sometimes you just have to tell it like it is. And the climate is changing due to our actions and lack of political will to do anything about it. The more ridicule we make of the repugnicans flat earth society the better, hopefully the majority of the American people will not vote for them anymore.

        • jpcowdrey Says:

          “Two-thirds of respondents (66 percent) said that world leaders are morally obligated to take action to reduce CO2 emissions. And 72 percent said they were “personally morally obligated” to do what they can in their daily lives to reduce emissions.”

          Sounds like majority support to me.

          In Omnoworld, Thea Windsor, one of those ‘exacerbating individuals’, had nothing to do with winning marriage equality for gays. Nor, I suppose, did Rosa Parks’ sitting on that bus make any difference in the ongoing struggle for civil rights.

          • omnologos Says:

            Does anyone know of a party political topic that won the day, instead of causing division with no practical effect?

            Maybe the New Deal and The Great Society.

            Maybe Mrs Clinton will run alongside a LBJ or a FDR.

          • dumboldguy Says:

            Here’s Omno, making another comment that is so inane that it elicits a WHAT????

            Omno is less qualified to comment on American politics than he is on climate change, and that’s saying something.

            PS to Omno. I suspect that you don’t even know the meaning of “inane”, so here are some synonyms—–silly, foolish, stupid, fatuous, idiotic, ridiculous, ludicrous, absurd, senseless, asinine, frivolous, vapid (and vacuo in Italian)—-all of which could be your middle name.

          • omnologos Says:

            Inane is your nickname. In the meanwhile no fool had the courage to reply in the other thread. I wonder why.

          • dumboldguy Says:

            Neeny-nonny-boo-boo-boo! A rock is dumb and so are you!

            Omno has completely DESTROYED me with “Inane is your nickname”. Or is he making a small joke? Is he making an inane joke about inanity to show that he has a sense of humor and understands irony? Could it be?

            Nah—not possible—he really doesn’t understand.

            He also says “… no fool had the courage to reply in the other thread. I wonder why”. Not sure what “other thread” Omno is talking about, since he has been spouting inanities and maundering on several threads, but if he’s talking about his response to Linda Plano’s three questions, I can speak for myself and say that I am being polite and giving Linda first dibs on the reply to him (since she is the one who asked and is so hot to “communicate” with Omno). IMO. they were meaningless non-answers and indicative of Omno’s inability to deal with science, but it’s Linda’s turn.

            PS to Omno. Just as you likely didn’t know the meaning of “inane”, I will also give you synonyms for “maunder”—-again they could all be your middle name along with “inane”. Maunder means to “ramble, prattle, blather, rattle, chatter, jabber, babble, yak, yatter. wander, drift, meander, amble, or putter”.

            Yep, Maurizio Inanio Maunderio Morabito has a nice ring to it. (And we talk about the Maunder Minimum and sunspots on occasion with regard to climate change. We will need to talk about the Maunder MAXIMUM with regard to Omno’s “contributions”, but I ain’t talking about the sunspots Maunder)..

          • dumboldguy Says:

            Look here, folks! This may be the most intelligent thing Omno has ever said on Crock. And it may be the sum total of all his knowledge about AGW as well. LOL.

    • jpcowdrey Says:

      maurizio, what is this ‘political party topic’ on which you pontificate?

      “The same human economic activity that has brought freedom and opportunity to billions has also increased the amount of carbon in the atmosphere.
      While the scope and longterm consequences of this are the subject of ongoing
      scientific research, common sense dictates that the United States should take measured and reasonable steps today to reduce any impact on the environment.”

      —2008 Republican Party platform

      • omnologos Says:

        Climate change is not a party political issue. Those that make it so, are obviously not interested in finding any solution to it. They just want votes. Now this makes perfect sense for those who do not believe in dangerous climate change: they can get votes and they do not worry about it.

        But those who proclaim that we are risking untold catastrophes out of it, well, if they milk it for votes they are either hypocrites, or criminal.

        • dumboldguy Says:

          Some “circular non-logic” from Omno that ran off the road and into the ditch before it made even one full lap and caught up with itself. LMAO! Clueless is as clueless does, I guess.

        • jpcowdrey Says:

          That is among the most stupid things I’ve ever read. Candidates who campaign on issues they believe in are either hypocritical or criminal? Really?

          maurizio has tripled down on the stupid. Stupid cubed.

          • omnologos Says:

            That’s what may look like to the unreasoning. In the real world, stupidity is what damages others and damages the stupid at the same time.

            In this case the Clinton campaign knows fully well that a part of the electorate will automatically switch against doing anything about climate change; that the Republicans will consider climate change and even more toxic topic because it’s so much important for Hillary; that nothing of any meaningfulness can be done unless at least some GOP representatives will join in; that the big changes like LBJ’s Great Society need persuasion not fighting. Etc etc.

            So what’s going to happen by making climate change an electoral issue? Why, we have many past elections to look at. Always the same outcome. If you guys are happy in failure, I’m happy for you. 8)

          • dumboldguy Says:

            I have said more than once that Omno should not be making comments about American politics, a topic he does NOT understand. He proves the correctness of my thinking yet again with this comment.

            In fact, he should refrain from commenting on any topics here on Crock that he does not understand, like the science of climate change. If he did that, we would be rid of him, since he understands naught of what we talk about and would be rendered mute.

            Viola! Our problem would be solved.

          • dumboldguy Says:

            (sigh) (and sigh again) Our Omno problem has not been solved. Here he is once more, commenting on American Politics as if he knows anything.

            He “comments” by cutting and pasting a link to a Guardian article that DOES show some small understanding of American Politics, but all that shows is that Omno is able to read headlines. He has NO idea what this article he has cut-and-pasted really means.

            I will bore everyone to death yet AGAIN by saying the following—-maybe some will pay attention if it’s repeated enough times.

            McKibben and Hansen are “hard core”, and are of course leading the charge. They and all the others who are holding Clinton’s feet to the fire are trying to get her to move in the direction we ALL want her to take. Each of them has just ONE vote, and none of them are running for president. It is FIFTEEN MONTHS until the election.

            And most boring and repetitious of all—-Omno is a moron. I think we need to invent a new game—Whack-an-Omnomoron—that’s what our exchanges with the village idiot are getting to be like, and he is as oblivious as a stuffed animal. And he is proving my point that he is an attention-seeking narcissist who will put up with any amount of abuse as long as someone pays him attention).

          • omnologos Says:

            meanwhile in the real world, away from dumbo’s emissions (most of which I cause)
            http://data.myworld2015.org

          • dumboldguy Says:

            Omnomoron again proves my point about his abysmally deficient “intellect” for me. They don’t come any easier than our boy. He has again posted a link to something he THINKS supports one of illogical maunderings. Yes, our boy CAN cut and paste. Too bad he hasn’t enough brains to understand the full implications of the data he posts.

            Some very pretty graphs, and some very interesting date here. Omno has picked it because he saw “climate change” all the way down on the bottom with the lowest numbers. What Omno the MORON fails to see is that so many of the concerns near the top of the list are closely related to climate change and its impacts, i.e., if climate change DOES have the expected impacts, all those things that people seem to be more concerned about will be very negatively impacted. In other words (to simplify for Omno), people around the world shoulf=d be worried first and foremost about climate change, because if it continues all their hopes in so manyh of the other areas will be for naught.

            Of course, many on the planet don”t understand that—-Omno is not alone in his ignorance and poor data analysis skills. The difference is that the others are not walking around passing themselves off as some sort of genius as Omno attempts to do.

          • dumboldguy Says:

            PS I apologize for all the typos. I do resent losing the minute or two of my time it takes to whip out a reply to Omno, and sometimes can’t find the will to proof it very closely. I think all will understand.

          • omnologos Says:

            why do you write all this cretin stuff? I don’t read it, I presume nobody else reads it, you always say the same thing, and besides it only shows I can manipulate you into writing and writing and writing, emitting a lot of CO2 in the process. But feel free to continue.

          • dumboldguy Says:

            Omno says to me “…feel free to continue” my pointing out all the serious intellectual failings, inanities, and maundering evident in nearly every comment he makes on Crock.

            In typical Omno fashion, he also contradicts himself by complaining, as in …”why do you write all this cretin stuff?”. He is whining there, and also being rather non-PC and insensitive, since cretinism is a medical condition beyond the control of its sufferers, and not something they choose to be, as Omno has deliberately chosen to be—-a MORON.

            And guess what, Crockers! We now have a clue as to why so little of what Omno says to us seems to relate to our comments. “I don’t read it”, he says, (and is clueless enough to add “…I presume nobody else reads it”).

            Be careful what you wish for, Omno. Needy narcissistic attention-seekers like you who alienate the only people who pay them any attention soon find themselves talking to themselves in the mirror, and that must not meet your needs—-if it did, you wouldn’t come here. And I don’t always say the “same” thing, I just point out the “same” evidence in your writings, and since you are always making the “same” errors of logic, language, and insight, it’s hard to state it much differently.

            The utter vapidity and mindlessness of “I can manipulate you into writing and writing and writing, emitting a lot of CO2 in the process” is the final straw here. All anyone has to do is look back through this thread to see that Omno wastes our time, and he’s been wasting our time on other threads lately as well. Look at the time and energy Linda Plano has expended on him.

            So, I’m declaring an “Omno Holiday”, and appealing to jimbills, jpcowdrey, lionel, ubrew, GB, and anyone else who has responded to Omno to join me in the future—-Omno will get from me at best a DNFTT, a WHAT?, or a ZZZZZzzzzz!!!!!

            After all, he doesn’t read any of our criticisms of him, so what does it matter? Of course, one could ask how he knows they’re criticisms and complain about them if he doesn’t read them, but that’s too logical a question for Omno. LOL…

            Farewell, Omno—-feel free to continue being a moron.

  3. John Says:

    Reblogged this on jpratt27.

  4. Lionel Smith Says:

    That Inglis clip prompted me to see if the video from that House Science and Technology Committee held a “Rational Discussion of Climate Change,” from November 17 2010 was still available.

    It is currently available at: http://www.c-span.org/video/?296637-1/global-climate-change-panel-1


  5. The Clinton “plan” is also an insult to science and basic economics. Too little, too late. Kowtowing to the fossils, not taxing them.
    Hansen: “It’s just plain silly” http://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2015/jul/29/hillary-clinton-climate-change-plan

    • dumboldguy Says:

      Yes, it’s a good thing she has 15 months to add to and fine tune the plan until she satisfies the more rabid and demanding of us. I for one am glad that she is making a strategic advance that will ultimately allow her to appeal to the most voters in November of 2016 (we hope). Far better than the Kamikaze method that is hard to adjust once you’ve committed—-look at the Repugs who have tried that approach—-Cruz looks to be going down in flames.

    • dumboldguy Says:

      I saw that clip too. A perfect illustration of the strategy that candidates employ in the early stages of the campaign. The guy who is almost unknown lets it all hang out, the guy in the middle is a bit less bold, and the front runner is being cautious. Remember the “it’s all hyperbole this early” comment.

      And take a look at the frantic moves by the Repugs who look like they are going to be frozen out of the debates.


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