Rand Paul: “I’d be a Great Friend to Coal”

April 9, 2015

From a Kentucky TV interview during his senate run in 2010, newly announced Presidential Candidate Rand Paul asserts “I’d be a great friend to coal.”
It’s a great example of why, in coming years, a lot of politicians are going to be contorting themselves fairly radically to rationalize increasingly indefensible records on climate. This will be interesting.

On Mountain top removal:

“I think whoever owns the property can do with the property as they wish”

“A lot of the land is quite desirable once it’s been flattened out.”

“I don’t think anybody’s going to be missing a hill or two here and there.”

mtremovalAlso:
“(I am) Absolutely opposed to any carbon tax.”

16 Responses to “Rand Paul: “I’d be a Great Friend to Coal””

  1. Gingerbaker Says:

    Well, I am anti-coal AND anti-carbon tax. Ain’t opinions grand?

  2. indy222 Says:

    We need to flatten HIM out…

  3. anotheralionel Says:

    Those remarks of Rand tell why this man should not be let anywhere near the Whitehouse. Total disregard for nature from a position of supreme ignorance.

    Maybe Atlas will shrug him off.


  4. There’s a golf course just waiting to be built…


  5. The politician I nominate for the title “Greatest Friend to Coal” is John Kerry, who almost single-handedly killed the IFR (Integral Fast Reactor) in 1994. Of course he couldn’t have done it without Bill Clinton’s support, whom I nominate for “Second Greatest Friend to Coal.”

    There is indeed great irony in the fact that several prominent liberals who claim to believe in AGW have done far more to assure the dominance of coal and natural gas than many conservatives.

    • dumboldguy Says:

      The level of oversimplification in this comment is awesome. Around a 9.6 on the Cy Scale. And how about Al Gore? Didn’t he have anything to do with it?


      • Oversimplification, because I failed to talk about Al Gore’s position on the IFR? Did I say that I was about to give a complete history of the nuclear power industry in the USA, including an analysis of Al Gore’s position? Hey, why limit it to Al Gore? What did North Korea’s Kim Il-sung have to say about the IFR? What about Tony Blair? Or Benjamin Netanyahu?

        But next time you make any comment at all, DBG, I’ll be sure to point out what an absurd oversimplification you are making, because you failed to mention what Abraham Lincoln or Martin Luther King might have had to say about that topic.

        Cheap shots don’t work with me. If you want to discuss energy matters, try a different tactic.


        • > But next time you make any comment at all, DBG,
          > I’ll be sure to point out what an absurd oversimplification
          > you are making, because you failed to mention what
          > Abraham Lincoln or Martin Luther King might have had
          > to say about that topic.

          On second thought, I won’t, because I refuse to be dragged down into the gutter level of personal attacks. I don’t what made you decide to take that route, DBG, because I never did it to you (or anyone else on this blog, no matter how much I might disagree with their political opinions). Tit-for-tat trolling is a sign of emotional immaturity, so I won’t go there, but hereafter don’t expect me to have any respect at all for your posts.

          • dumboldguy Says:

            CY is STILL up on his high horse of indignation!? He couldn’t stop at the one comment but is now “tit for tatting”—-doubling down on his overreaction and his state of “high dudgeon”, proclaiming victimhood, and sniffing madly at the “perfumed sleeve hanky” as he now insults the living shit out of me because I made a small joke at his expense?

            Speaking of s**t, CY, is your problem that you are constipated this AM? Is that what’s making you so uncharacteristically cranky? We understand. Run down to your local pharmacy and get some ground up rhino horns or dried tiger testicles for that.

            I do hope CY stops this exchange, because he has already displayed unexpected and unbecoming emotional immaturity with his comments. As for “hereafter don’t expect me to have any respect at all for your posts”, I can only say “more overreaction”, and that my self-image is (thankfully) not dependent on CY’s overwrought OPINION..

            (PS I am your friend, CY, and and only your friends will tell you when you’re full of shit. Your enemies will let you embarrass yourself and laugh up their sleeves as you do so).

        • dumboldguy Says:

          So, CY now shows us that he does overreaction every bit as well as he does oversimplification. On a thread that is nothing but a “personal attack” on Paul in both content and comments, Cy makes a VERY personal “cheap shot” attack on John Kerry and Bill Clinton, two people who are only marginally involved in the coal issue, and were actually marginal in the death of the nuclear power industry, since nearly everyone in the WHOLE FREAKIN’ WORLD was anti-nuclear back then.

          And then CY applies the tar brush to “liberals”??!!! JFC! Oversimplification is not a strong enough word to use. He then launches a personal attack on ME, who may be the only one on Crock who ever agrees with his views on nuclear power. Way to keep your friends close, CY.

          The laugh of the day is provided with “Cheap shots don’t work with me. If you want to discuss energy matters, try a different tactic”.

          Actually, CY, that’s what I was suggesting to YOU. That you climb down off your high horse and talk about ENERGY rather than overreach and oversimplify with YOUR cheap shot personal attacks. (You have again said nothing about “energy” in this comment).

          (And it’s not DBG but DOG—-Dumb OLD Guy. We old dogs don’t respond well to our master’s voices when we’re called by the wrong name. Woof!)

          • redskylite Says:

            We all follow crocks regularly and I guess that means we are all passionate and care about the issues, and care about getting our views across clearly. DOG offered to send “Jimmy Carter” across to resolve a recent spat I had, I can only offer to send our “Helen Clark” across to Taiwan and the U.S to resolve this one.

            Interestingly Mr Rand does object to landowners polluting neighbors property, could we “educate” him to respect our commons (the atmosphere) too. Difficult to educate a politician though as they are an expert on everything already.

          • dumboldguy Says:

            I tried to reply to this comment of redsky’s on the “forks in the road” thread, but WordPress wouldn’t let me. I will go a bit OT and post my reply here.

            redsky said in reply to my dig at Abbot Point and AUS exporting coal—-“Thanks for reminding us once again, (yet once again) and I will remind you who is the #1 oil and gas producer (by far), is it Saudi, Russia ? No it’s the same country who recently used to be the #1 industrial co2 emitter”.

            http://www.climatecentral.org/news/u.s.-leads-global-oil-and-gas-production-18867

            Too-shay! Did I put a knot in your grundies again? No doubt the USA and Europe bear the greatest share of the blame for AGW and adopting the economic/social model that made it all happen, but we’re picking on COAL here and AUS is vulnerable. Some numbers—-rounded off and maybe not the latest, but close enough.

            The US produces ~1000 million tons of coal a year and exports ~100 million of that (10%)

            AUS is the FOURTH largest coal producer (after US, China, and Russia?), produces ~500 million tons and exports 300 million of that (60%). Fully 1/2 of all AUS export income comes from coal. Since 2000, AUS coal production has gone up by 33% and AUS coal consumption at home has gone down 15% (that’s good for AUS). And how about LNG? AUS is the world’s 4th’ largest exporter and has increased exports by 60% over the last ten years.

            Not bad for a country of 23 million people. ~1/14 the population of the US and digging up 1/2 as much coal and sending 3 times as much of it abroad as the US.

            And did you know that AUS has 75 million sheep—3+ sheep for every human? And NZ has 34 million sheep—-7+ for every human? Can’t you just export sheep and make money there rather than on coal?

          • dumboldguy Says:

            I tried to reply to this comment of redsky’s on the “forks in the road” thread, but WordPress wouldn’t let me. I will go a bit OT and post my reply here. It includes some facts that all should be aware of.

            redsky said—-Thanks for reminding us once again,(yet once again) and I will remind you who is the #1 oil and gas producer (by far), is it Saudi, Russia ? No it’s the same country who recently used to be the #1 industrial co2 emitter.

            http://www.climatecentral.org/news/u.s.-leads-global-oil-and-gas-production-18867

            Too-shay! Did I put a knot in your grundies again? No doubt the USA and Europe bear the greatest share of the blame for AGW and adopting the economic/social model that made it all happen, but we’re picking on COAL here and AUS is vulnerable. Some numbers—-rounded off and maybe not the latest, but close enough.

            The US produces ~1000 million tons of coal a year and exports ~100 million of that (10%)

            AUS is the FOURTH largest coal producer (after US, China, and Russia?), produces ~500 million tons and exports 300 million of that (60%). Fully 1/2 of all AUS export income comes from coal. Since 2000, AUS coal production has gone up by 33% and AUS coal consumption at home has gone down 15% (that’s good for AUS). And how about LNG? AUS is the world’s 4th’ largest exporter and has increased exports by 60% over the last ten years.

            Not bad for a country of 23 million people. ~1/14 the population of the US and digging up 1/2 as much coal and sending 3 times as much of it abroad as the US.

            And did you know that AUS has 75 million sheep—3+ sheep for every human? And NZ has 34 million sheep—-7+ for every human? Can’t you just export sheep and make money there rather than on coal?

  6. peterangelo Says:

    waiting fro Rand Paul’s stage Debut as the Scarecrow from the wizard ofoz where he will be sining, “If I only had a brain”

  7. andrewfez Says:

    One time I fit the amount of area being eaten by MTR onto a CAGR curve using two snapshots and then plugged in different growth rates based on a suite of metrics (can’t remember – US growth rate; coal production west of missisippi; &c.). Depending on the growth rate you pick, WV or another state with similar area ends up looking like the posted picture above comprehensively after 50, 80, 100, or so years. Not uncommon exponential growth can literally level a state to a wasteland within a few generations.


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