“Fury Road” in Early Running for 2015’s Cli-Fi Classic

December 20, 2014

Tom Hardy as an updated Mad Max.

22 Responses to ““Fury Road” in Early Running for 2015’s Cli-Fi Classic”

  1. xraymike79 Says:

    “…most people know what we are doing… but if mitigating catastrophe means changing one’s behavior, then people will opt for pointless distractions (denial) like petition signing or voting for “them” to fix the problem.
    …enjoy today… for these are the good old days.” ~ Todd Cory(via America2.0)

    Or glorifying and dramatizing it in a new fantasy genre coined as “cli-fi”…

  2. Gingerbaker Says:

    Out of water? How about out of creative ideas?

    I guess Hollywood has no need to be creative all the time – people will go see just about anything, I guess. That’s why we were treated to remakes of the Hulk and Spiderman within just a few years.

  3. rayduray Says:

    Somehow, I’m wondering if art is maybe imitating life here? I’ve been impressed by the rollin’ coal boys and their alternative Mad Max reality.

    http://www.vice.com/read/nothing-wrong-with-rolling-coal-711

  4. uknowispeaksense Says:

    Before I saw any reference to Mad Max, I thought this looks like Mad Max meets……. I don’t know what.

    Call me a film patriot but I won’t go and see it. The beauty of the original Mad Max movies…..well at least the first two before they brought in Ms Turner… was the uniquely Australian feel about it. Classic Australian films have a different quality about them. Every gap isn’t filled with music, the acting is underrated, the characters easily related to. Mad Max was one of those iconic Aussie films. This thing doesn’t look like any of that. It looks like over-produced Hollywood hijacked nonsense.

  5. j4zonian Says:

    Did you know that because of physiological and psychological connections–body-eye coordination I guess you could call it–that if while bicycling you fix your gaze on an object in an attempt to steer around it you’re actually much more likely to hit it? That what you look at is what you steer towards, whether you want to or not?

    Haven’t we had enough unconscious despairing idiots’ versions of our future? Enough glorification of rage? Embracing the worst in us? I’m no positive thinking kind of person; closet “The Secret” fanatic, “think happy thoughts and everything will be fine” Pollyanna, or believer in the Disney Rule–“Wishing will make it happen”. Metaphysical optimism has to yield to real world action if we expect to survive this crisis as a civilization. But maybe we–the left and especially environmentalists–as the people most aware of both the problem and solution, should start visualizing, articulating and disseminating our way out of this, through it, around it and beyond it, instead of right smack into it like a fiery car crash.

    • jimbills Says:

      The mistake here is to think that the bicyclist has their eyes fixedly staring ahead at the path of death and destruction, when in reality it’s more like they’re looking at a text about kittens and is already on the path of death and destruction.

      Someone like me could scream and shout all day about what needs to be done, but we’ll get ignored and/or mocked for the effort, as it would be seen as too ‘pessimistic’ by 99.9% of the people, and besides – kittens!

      Otherwise, I agree.

      • dumboldguy Says:

        Not sure what jimbills is agreeing with here. He appears to reject, as I do, j4zonian’sattempt to extend the simple concept of target fixation into the metaphysical. (Although I would have said instead that J4Z was thinking about SHOPPING and looking at price comparisons rather than texts about kittens. J4Z is far too serious to be concerned with kittens).

        Perhaps he is agreeing with J4Z’s little rant that begins with “unconscious despairing idiots’ versions of our future”, and ends with the extension of the target fixation metaphor into the rousing call to arms embodied in “we should start visualizing, articulating and disseminating our way out of this, through it, around it and beyond it, instead of right smack into it like a fiery car crash”. Lord love a duck!—-“out,through, around, AND beyond”?—-and“fiery”?

        Yes, J4Zonian IS back for one of his infrequent visits to Crock, and is again showing us how impressed he is with his own brilliance and matchless rhetoric. His real name appears to be Jeff, and he has parlayed that into an acronym/mnemonic for “Jeffersonian”, apparently to remind us all that he is one of Jefferson’s “intellectual elite” and should be accorded much respect. We may have found someone in J4Z whose level of narcissism qualifies him to pick up Engineer-Poet’s perfumed sleeve hanky and wield it in E-Pot’s absence.

        I was so taken with the absolute “preciousness” and“pretentiousness” of his telling us on another Crock thread that he posted on many “FORA” that I had to google “j4zonian” to learn more about this person who threw out a word I have never seen used in 74+ years of visiting and participating in many “fora”myself. J4Z was not kidding,folks—-he HAS posted all over the place,and not just in “fora”. His Disqus profile shows nearly 6,000 comments and the pics on his Flickrstream page are worth looking at (if you’re into Guitars, bongos, sitting in the sand and meditating, yurts, cute baby goats and scruffy looking chickens, that is)

      • j4zonian Says:

        It’s a muddle, as Gregory Bateson used to say. We have to enter the realm of psychology to understand what’s happening and be able to do anything effective about it.

        An experiment had people who were offended by nudity look at a picture with nudity in one corner, and tracked their eyes. Some people looked everywhere in the picture except the corner where the nudity was, and after, said they didn’t see any nudity. The problem is, they had to know the nudity was there to avoid looking at it so studiously, that is, they had to have seen it. In other words, they used their knowledge that it was there to avoid knowing that it was there.

        We’re making progress—painfully, achingly slow but still…. This movie, along with Snowpiercer, the Hunger Games movies, are a tiny step farther than the hundreds of disaster movies that are about anything BUT climate catastrophe but are actually about nothing but climate catastrophe. (Because that’s what we’re transfixed by unconsciously but refuse to look at consciously). The terrible science in most of these movies serves several functions—avoiding a certain kind of controversy or condemnation by powerful corporations, relieving the movie (and us) of any responsibility to deal with the actual problem, etc. (thus making money—any movie that forced us to deal with the consequences of our actions would be a total flop right now.) But The Day After Tomorrow, 2012, The Core, all the movies about big ass teroid strikes, and so many others, are ways we look at the thing without looking at it, the only thing that matters now. They’re ways society is trying, though failing, to work out our psychological difficulty not just with our impending destruction but our unwillingness to do anything about it.

        One reason we’re unwilling to consider the only issue that matters now is that no one that anybody in the mainstream US listens to has said it’s solvable and shown how. People are too terrified that 1. they’ll have their TeeVees taken away and 2. that even taking their TeeVees away won’t solve the problem—that nothing will, at least nothing they haven’t been told a hundred times won’t work (Koch brothers anti-wind campaign, I’m talkin to you). So those USers go to disaster movies over and over and over and over and over and over and over to see people solving problems so they (the USers) can feel some relief. But it doesn’t work because they know no one, including them, is solving the only problem that matters. So Voila! No problem! Deny, deny, deny. Fingers in ears, lalalalalalalalaing loudly enough not to hear the people who are telling them how to solve their problem.

        People are stupid.

        Jaws, Dante’s Peak, Volcano, Towering Inferno, The Road, I Am Legend, Contagion, The Book of Eli, Revolution, The Colony, and on and on… Almost all tout the individual hero, which can’t solve this problem. Almost all follow the Trojan model, sometimes with slight variations—Cassandra warns, is not believed, turns out to be right, nature (in the form of the gods in the original) gets its revenge, people die, the hero saves the family and most importantly the family dog, and so everything is OK. The audience is relieved of responsibility for thinking anything at all as they leave the theater (or change the channel and get another bag o chips).

        In modern movies the Cassandra is almost always a scientist, and the message of the movie is to listen to him or her, but the meta-message, of the movie-in-society, is to ignore him or her. (That’s done by focusing on bad science, saving the dog and having a celebration at the end so there’s no tension left, or thought, or connection to real life. The movie exists in a vacuum of brainless, conscienceless, connectionless couch potatoish inactivity. The problem is avoided by solving the whole (but wrong) problem. Right there in front of everyone. So when it comes to post-apocalyptic movies, they exist in a vacuum, too, because there is no problem. We can’t get there from here, right? Lalalalalalalalala. Pierce and Linda got the kids and dog out and are going fishing. Tommy and Anne got Tommy’s girl and the random dog-equivalent little boy out and everybody is equal when covered with ash (not only on Wednesday, apparently) and we love LA. John, Chiwetel and Amanda got the kids and the dog on board and we’re headed for Mt. Ararat. Or some place just like it. BenLiv made it, and though Bruce didn’t, that’s life. Parents die. But some don’t—Dennis saves Jake and Emmy and white people carry on by invading Mexico. (Wow, it’s just like 1846, oh and 1910, and…). Aaron and Hilary fall in love and make it back, and no dog but whales, so you know, close enough…

        Like I said, it’s a muddle. Unless you understand psychology. Then everything makes perfect sense. We have to have better movies—ones that deal with the problem/s we really have, climate catastrophe and the politics that make us not deal with it. We need movies that show all ranges of possibility from Mad Max/The Road/I Am Legend (which we’ve already had enough of, thank you) to the rational, ecological alternatives that are perfectly viable and yet absolutely nonexistent in mainstream media in any form.

        Starhawk, author of The Fifth Sacred Thing, is or was trying to get it made into a movie–that would be a fine example of taking our eyes off the obstacle long enough to actually steer around it. We need others. Maybe somebody should write to somebody and tell em.

        • dumboldguy Says:

          Yes, it’s a “muddled world” we inhabit, and it’s certainly a “muddled” comment JeffyZ offers us here.

          In typical narcissist fashion, JeffyZ seizes upon jimbills “agreement” and attempts to cement their perceived incipient “bonding” with a veritable Gish Gallop of tidbits from the “realm of psychology”. Nothing pleases a narcissist more than to have their world view endorsed in any small way by others, and they will “reward” anyone who agrees with them by showering them with more BS.

          Unfortunately, JeffyZ gets so carried away with his own brilliance and rhetoric in attempting to suck jumbills deeper into his orbit that he gives us a rather facile, superficial, and even puerile view of the “psychology” involved in the bigger picture.

          He doubles down on the earlier “target fixation” idea by first introducing the irrelevant phenomenon of “nudity denial” as he gallops along into his “analysis” of the “psychology” of climate change inaction. He lays much yada-yada-yada on us about the movies and their failings but fails to see the forest for the trees.

          It’s not the movie-goer that is the problem, and the movies are mere entertainment for the vast majority, and not a source of information or personal motivation. JeffyZ needs to stop trying to impress us with his BS and FOCUS. He HAS made comments in the past that show he understands that the inaction problem and solution lies not with the “psychology” of the individual but at the societal level, and is rooted in the “capitalist-growth-profit-exploit the planet” mindset that has entrapped the entire human race.

          Perhaps the most important “psychology” for JeffyZ to understand is his own. He would be a far more effective “environmental educator” if he did.

  6. dumboldguy Says:

    Not sure what jimbills is agreeing with here. He appears to reject, as I do, j4zonian’sattempt to extend the simple concept of target fixation into the metaphysical. (Although I would have said instead that J4Z was thinking about SHOPPING and looking at price comparisons rather than texts about kittens. J4Z is far too serious to be concerned with kittens).

    Perhaps he is agreeing with J4Z’s little rant that begins with “unconscious despairing idiots’ versions of our future”, and ends with the extension of the target fixation metaphor into the rousing call to arms embodied in “we should start visualizing, articulating and disseminating our way out of this, through it, around it and beyond it, instead of right smack into it like a fiery car crash”.

    Lord love a duck!—-“out, through, around, AND beyond”?—-and “fiery”?

    Yes, J4Zonian IS back for one of his infrequent visits to Crock, and is again showing us how impressed he is with his own brilliance and matchless rhetoric. His real name appears to be Jeff, and he has parlayed that into an acronym/mnemonic for “Jeffersonian”, apparently to remind us all that he is one of Jefferson’s “intellectual elite” and should be accorded much respect. We may have found someone in J4Z whose level of narcissism qualifies him to pick up Engineer-Poet’s perfumed sleeve hanky and wield it in E-Pot’s absence.

    I was so taken with the absolute “preciousness” and“pretentiousness” of his telling us on another Crock thread that he posted on many “FORA” that I had to google “j4zonian” to learn more about this person who threw out a word I have never seen used in 74+ years of visiting and participating in many “fora”myself. J4Z was not kidding,folks—-he HAS posted all over the place,and not just in “fora”. His Disqus profile shows nearly 6,000 comments and the pics on his Flickrstream page are worth looking at (if you’re into Guitars, bongos, sitting in the sand and meditating, yurts, cute baby goats and scruffy looking chickens, that is)

  7. dumboldguy Says:

    Book alert!

    Deep Future: The Next 100,000 Years of Life in Earth by Curt Stager, 2011, Thomas Dunne/St. Martin’s Press

    Half way through it. Some great insights for both the bright-sided and the extreme fatalists.

  8. dumboldguy Says:

    Not sure what jimbills is agreeing with here. He appears to reject, as I do, XXXX’s attempt to extend the simple concept of target fixation into the metaphysical. Although I would have said instead that XXXX was thinking about SHOPPING and looking at price comparisons rather than texts about kittens. XXXX is far too serious to be concerned with kittens.

    Perhaps he is agreeing with XXXX’s little rant that begins with “unconscious despairing idiots’ versions of our future”, and ends with the extension of the target fixation metaphor into the rousing call to arms embodied in “we should start visualizing, articulating and disseminating our way out of this, through it, around it and beyond it, instead of right smack into it like a fiery car crash”. Lord love a duck!—-“out, through, around, AND beyond”??—-and “fiery”? Such wonderful hyperbole!

    Yes, XXXX IS back for one of his infrequent visits to Crock, and is again showing us how impressed he is with his own brilliance and matchless rhetoric. His real name appears to be Jeff, and he has parlayed that into an acronym-mnemonic for “Jeffersonian”, apparently to remind us all that he is one of Jefferson’s “intellectual elite” and should be accorded much respect. We may have found someone in XXXX whose level of narcissism qualifies him to pick up the perfumed sleeve hanky and wield it.

    I was so taken with the absolute “preciousness” and“pretentiousness” of his telling us on another Crock thread that he posted on many “FORA” that I had to google “XXXX” to learn more about this person who threw out a word I have never seen used in 74+ years of visiting and participating in many “fora”myself. XXXX was not kidding, folks—-he HAS posted all over the place,and not just in “fora”. His Disqus profile shows nearly 6,000 comments and the pics on his Flickrstream page are worth looking at (if you’re into guitars, bongos, sitting in the sand and meditating, yurts, cute baby goats and scruffy looking chickens, that is).

    • dumboldguy Says:

      In case anyone was wondering why “XXXX” appears so many times in this message, it’s because I first attempted to post it as a “reply” to the actual person several times during the day and it would not “take”.

      It appears that my attempting to use a certain individual’s “handle” on Crock causes WordPress to “upchuck”. Can anyone here explain why that is so?

      At any rate, it should be obvious who XXXX is. I hope that in future I will be able to use the handle that he prefers. I have much more to say to him.

      • j4zonian Says:

        You know, dumb, if you don’t like what someone has to say, one choice is to not read it. The same with people’s photos and other personal items—medicine cabinets and the like. And I’m not really sure what you object to in my post, other than you seem to think, but hate, that it’s articulate, which is an odd reaction, and you seem to have some problem with me not posting here enough, which is an even odder reaction, given your opinion of my photographs and the posts you seem not to understand very well.

        You do seem to have problems with me as well as with boundaries. You and I disagree on some things and agree on some things; I don’t see that as a reason to make it personal and attack, especially without any apparent or articulated reason or anything you disagree with that I’ve actually said.
        There’s nothing at all metaphysical about what I said, in fact I just explicitly criticized metaphysical responses and even list some I specifically reject. It’s a mystery to me how you made that gross a misinterpretation unless you simply didn’t read carefully enough. That certainly seems to be one of the main problems you have with me—you misunderstand what I’m saying, over and over and over, leap to absurd conclusions about what I mean without any evidence, translate everything into bizarre black and white versions from another reality and then viciously attack the image you’ve created of me through your own projections. (“GFYS”? Really?) You seem utterly certain about something, but never quite say what it is, presumably because you’re so busy attacking me in vague and meaningless ways for things I haven’t said. Wow. Those are all things you might want to work on.

        If my “philosophizing” tires you, as I said you can pass on reading it, or you could lie down after. And if what I say seems like philosophy to you, well, gosh, thanks, but I guess you’ve never been exposed to a real philosophy discussion because what I say hardly qualifies. Try getting in on an argument about Derrida, for example.

        For readers, here’s a previous exchange in which dumb did the same thing; personal attacks and insults based on misinterpretations and imaginings about what I said and meant. I really wish he would stop that; it causes unnecessary conflict on threads that should be about other things—the subject at hand, for instance. I at least wish he would stop assuming he knows what I believe before he asks about it, and that he would actually read my posts before reacting to them.

        https://climatecrocks.com/2014/12/05/glum-and-glummer-or-is-there-a-glimmer-fact-checking-the-newsroom/comment-page-1/#comment-67605

        • dumboldguy Says:

          The Exposition and Education of JeffyZ: Chapter One

          Why Chapter One, you ask? As is usually the case with postings from narcissists and trolls, it is going to take a fair number of words to expose JeffyZ’s BS and refute what he so casually throws against the wall—-several “chapters” worth. Why bother to waste the time on a thread that is dying and on a person that appears unworthy, you ask?

          Because JeffyZ is an “environmental educator” (he has a degree to prove it) and we certainly need more of them. I would like to help him “up his game”. I was an “environmental educator” myself back in the 60’s and 70’s but age has slowed me down some. If we can help JeffyZ overcome his narcissistic tendencies, he may yet do some good. Let’s begin.

          When one dares to do anything but drop to one’s knees in adoration of a narcissist’s rantings and says “You’re wrong” to them, one can expect this kind of “message” in return. It will be angry, disdainful, smug, dismissive, and lengthy. It will double down on previously stated horseshit, will be full of untruths, and will be basically one giant ad hominem. Narcissists like JeffyZ believe that if you just pile it higher and deeper, and say it loudly, and keep repeating it, it will magically become truth.

          The first thing to notice in any narcissist’s “telling rebuttal” is the number of self-referential “I, me, and mys” and the number of accusatory (ad hominem) “You, your, he’s”. In a message of only 18 sentences, JeffyZ has managed to insert 25 “self-referentials” and an even larger number of 28 “accusatories”, for a total of 53 (almost 3 per sentence). That is hugely excessive for a “normal” narcissist. We’ve landed a big one with JeffyZ, folks—-he is a world-class narcissist, as is evidenced by the degree to which he has made it “all about him” and the correctness of his views. .

          Reread JeffyZ’s message with all that in mind. See if you can find ANYTHING in it that advances the understanding of climate change.

          (TO BE CONTINUED…..)

          One small PS. Jump to the end of JeffyZ’s message and DO reference the link, which he says is to “…..a previous exchange in which dumb did the same thing; personal attacks and insults based on misinterpretations and imaginings about what I said and meant….”

          https://climatecrocks.com/2014/12/05/glum-and-glummer-or-is-there-a-glimmer-fact-checking-the-newsroom/comment-page-1/#comment-67605

          DO go there and search out the many questions I asked and comments I made about JeffyZ’s bad science and overblown rhetoric. (Dec. 12, 2014) NONE of those “misinterpretations and imaginings’ were ever answered on that thread. It is typical of narcissists that they ignore such questioning of their veracity and simply move on to more BS (or, if you push them as I have done here, they explode in insane rage and attack the questioner).

          • j4zonian Says:

            TROLL ALERT!

            Sorry, I was trying (unsuccessfully at times to be sure) to be patient with this poor unfortunate and have a discussion, but really…. Besides the elementary school level attempts to insult with my name, (Seriously, dumb? Really???) this nasty irrational troll has nothing. He or she offers no science, no facts, no logic, not even any reasonably-supported theories, just assertions, personal attacks, inexplicable hostility, and vague assertions about something we’re never quite clear on. He or she seems to disagree with something but never specifies what, or proposes any alternative that might clarify–instead, has apparently decided s/he disagrees with everything about me, even photographs (of a permaculture course) s/he wasn’t invited to view, even questions attempting to find out what his or her problem is. Above all, it seems to be projection; almost everything s/he hates, just hates! about me is something s/he’s doing him or her self.

            S/he might find more health and happiness in working for something good rather than spending so much time insulting and assailing others for no good reason. My only conclusion is that he’s simply trying to bully and repel me (and presumably others) off the site with his or her mean-spirited flailing. It won’t work, but there’s nothing more to say here. I’ve already wasted too much time on this fool.

          • dumboldguy Says:

            Way back on Dec. 8th on “Glum and Glummer”, JeffyZ laid this “thinking” on us:

            “No matter what we do now times ahead will be the hardest and harshest times humanity has ever faced. It’s very likely billions will die in war, chaos and disaster caused by climate change–no matter what we do now. It’s very likely hundreds of thousands of species will become extinct including many of those most loved–no matter what we do now. It’s entirely possible that the combination of toxicity, climate catastrophe and war, including nuclear war, will destroy all life on Earth. We’re in a dire situation, and we need to act immediately, to save what we can and avoid whatever harm we can still avoid”.

            “But the tundra won’t melt instantly. It will take a long time for methane in the tundra and Arctic clathrates to emerge. Other tipping points are the same, and if we have the political will, that is, if we can overcome the psychological afflictions of conservatives, we can not only stop emissions, we can sequester all the carbon emitted in the industrial age through reforestation and low-meat organic permaculture. As far as the best science shows we can still stop the worst from happening”.

            I basically agree with what he said in the first paragraph (if not the level of his hyperbole) but soon asked him MANY questions about his bald assertions in the second. He apparently doesn’t have the science knowledge to respond, because he has NOT done so. And I guess slinging BS is more rewarding for him also.

            “But the tundra won’t melt instantly.”
            (What is “instantly” on a 4-1/2 billion-year-old planet? Is “over a span of 500 years” effectively the same as “instantly”? 100 years? 50 years?)

            “It will take a long time for methane in the tundra and Arctic clathrates to emerge”.
            (See above. What is “a long time”? Does anyone have any real idea or is this a known unknown? Once they start to degas will there be any stopping them? Will that not begin a huge positive feedback loop?)

            “Other tipping points are the same”
            (Other? Which? They’re the “same”? Do we even know what the tipping points are? Or what positive feedbacks may result or are already occurring with all of them?)

            “…and if we have the political will, that is, if we can overcome the psychological afflictions of conservatives…”
            (If? Big word there. The “afflictions” have been developing since before Reagan’s time and in many ways are getting worse. What’s the cure?)

            “….we can not only stop emissions”
            (STOP emissions? Really? How? And how soon? In time to avoid disaster?)

            “….we can sequester all the carbon emitted in the industrial age through reforestation and low-meat organic permaculture”

            (Ah, you answered! We can SEQUESTER ALL THE CARBON EMITTED IN THE INDUSTRIAL AGE!!!!! Through reforestation? And freakin’ “low meat organic permaculture”????? Lord love a duck! If that’s not wishful thinking and bad science, I’ll eat the duck raw).

            That’s just a sampling of the commentary and questions that Jeffy has failed to respond to or answer.

            Now he screams TROLL ALERT! ????? And again proves to us that he is a narcissist by calling me names and “ad homineming” with “…poor unfortunate….nasty irrational troll…..” and yet ANOTHER Gish Gallop of invective.

            I am impressed with the level of projection he displays with “He or she offers no science, no facts, no logic, not even any reasonably-supported theories, just assertions, personal attacks, inexplicable hostility, and vague assertions about something we’re never quite clear on”. Look in the mirror, Jeffy—-you’re talking to the wrong person here—-that fits you far better than it does me.

            As for “He or she seems to disagree with something but never specifies what, or proposes any alternative that might clarify–”. YOU are the one who fails to clarify your BS—-my questions are identified by (?) are clear. I know enough science to ask them—-do you know enough to answer them? I suspect not.

            As for “….questions attempting to find out what his or her problem is…” YOU have the problem, Jeffy, not me—-although it may be impossible for someone as narcissistic and self absorbed as you to “know thyself”, you should make the attempt. And stop with the puerile “projection” argument—-I have practiced and forgotten more psychology than you have ever learned and you don’t understand the meaning of the term (other than how to use it in in a half-assed attempt to smear me) .

            JeffyZ closes with “…. there’s nothing more to say here. I’ve already wasted too much time on this fool”. Does that mean Jeffy is going away for good and will no longer crap up the dialogue on Crock? Praise (the powers that govern the Cosmos, whatever they may be) if that is true. It’s hard to tell because Jeffy is again being glib rather than articulate. To wit: “…he’s simply trying to bully and repel me (and presumably others) off the site with his or her mean-spirited flailing. It won’t work”—-that seems to say he won’t leave. And isn’t it precious how he whines about being “bullied” (the last resort of one who has no real arguments to make)? And notice that I am “presumably” bullying others as well? LMAO—-no, Jeffy, you are the only one, and you make it easy.

            PS I will continue with the remaining “lessons” in “The Exposition and Education of JeffyZ”. He may not be watching and will not benefit, but anyone who wants to learn more about narcissists can read them if they so choose. Thanks to Peter for having a free enough posting policy that useful idiots like JeffyZ are allowed to come on the site and serve as bad examples for the rest of us.

          • dumboldguy Says:

            CHAPTER 3—Education of JeffyZ ETC…..

            CONFUSION ALERT!

            If JeffyZ follows his usual pattern, he will not appear on Crock for a few days, and may make some glib comment on another thread rather than on this one. After all, it IS all about him “enlightening ” us rather than contributing to any ongoing dialogue on any specific topic. He loves the sound of his own voice and doesn’t much care if he says anything really cogent to anyone here. Yep, that’s typical of those suffering from NPD—-those who are unfamiliar with the disorder should google it—Wiki has an adequate piece under Narcissistic Personality Disorder. A small sampling:

            “….the person may display arrogance, show superiority, and seek power. Narcissists have such an elevated sense of self-worth that they value themselves as inherently better than others. They cannot handle criticism, and often try to compensate for this by belittling or disparaging others in an attempt to validate their own self-worth. Comments and criticisms about others are vicious from sufferers of NPD, in an attempt to boost their own poor self-esteem…”

            Back to the reason for the “confusion alert”. While waiting for JeffyZ to make his next appearance, I reread this message and noticed something interesting. Look at what appears NINE times in the message.

            He or she
            He or she
            s/he disagrees
            s/he wasn’t invited
            s/he hates
            s/he’s doing
            S/he might
            his or her
            his or her

            That is perhaps proof that JeffyZ never reads any of our posts, or he would know what my gender is (and many other things about me). I would ask why he’s being so meticulous with his “gender neutrality” here, particularly in view of the one time he gets it right with “…HE’S simply trying to bully me…” near the end.

            Perhaps JeffyZ is suffering from some sort of “gender identity confusion” himself and is “projecting”? I hope I haven’t insulted him by referring to him as “he” in my posts.

            (TO BE CONTINUED…..)

        • dumboldguy Says:

          The Exposition and Education of JeffyZ: Chapter Two

          No, Jeffy, I most certainly do not object to your posts because they’re “articulate”. “Articulate” would imply that what you say is comprehensible, cogent, and coherent, and it is none of those things (except in your mind). The best word to describe your writing “talent” is GLIB, with facile, insincere, and superficial thrown in for fine tuning.

          Nor do I object that you don’t “post here enough”. What would please me most is if you never posted here again and we didn’t have to look at your crap. (Thanks for a good chuckle with your suggestion that only those who agree with your crap and “like it” should read it—-a narcissist’s dream, that—-an audience of mindless “admirers” that will hang on your every word and accept it all as truth).

          What I DO object to is you reappearing after too long an interval as you “tip toe through the MANY FORA you post on” dispensing wisdom, running your mouth a bit, and then disappearing rather than staying with a thread and really engaging with us. There’s a difference there, and your behavior is disrespectful of all Crockers’ time and intelligence. You give the impression of being a dilletante and “all hat, no cattle”, particularly when you fail to respond to questions about your “science fails”. Either engage fully or go away.

          You say I “do not seem to understand your posts very well”? LOL Unfortunately for you, I understand them all too well at so many levels—-from their lack of science substance to the narcissism they display. The failure of understanding here is yours, the typical narcissist’s inability to comprehend that anyone could find fault with anything they say or do. First know thyself.

          (TO BE CONTINUED…..)


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