Military Response to UK Storms

February 21, 2014

First Responders to Severe Storm damage in the UK.

Video coming on the causes and effects of the severe UK storms.

Description:

February 15, 2014:
A major clean-up is taking place after large parts of England and Wales were battered by heavy rain and gusts of up to 80mph, leaving tens of thousands without electricity.
The South, particularly along the coast, was worst hit as strong winds brought down hundreds of trees and damaged power lines. Some roads and rail lines were closed.

The storm from the Atlantic, which claimed at least three lives, came as parts of the country were warned their flood misery will continue in the coming days.

The Energy Networks Association said “relentless” severe weather had caused some of the worst damage “in decades”, with more than 65,000 homes still without power after the latest storm.
Almost one million customers have been affected by the “horrendous” storm damage over the last week, it added.

19 Responses to “Military Response to UK Storms”


  1. And how did the UK government respond?

    Panic:

    http://www.theguardian.com/environment/2014/feb/21/flooding-prevented-better-planning-experts-tell-david-cameron

    David Cameron lost the plot in Somerset when confronted with irate farmers. He promised them unlimited funds for dredging (an insane idea aginst theadvice of experts) and then sent in the army without their wellies.

    The army won’t be able to bale out Cameron come election day. He’s a drowned rat.

    You can’t cut funds for flood protection and reduce spending on “green crap” and still expect the country to function.


  2. Huh!?! Only one???? This is the same country that sent a fleet to the Falkland Islands.

  3. anotheralionel Says:

    I have heard those Chinooks overhead frequently over the last week, a very distinctive sound recognisable without seeing, sounded like more than one so others must have been assigned.

    As for the Fleet to the Falklands, it was not well balanced air-group wise having no AEW radar cover, the Gannets having vanished with the Ark Royal, my old ship with the Phantom squadron.

    I am familiar with the South Coast and of the south coast of the Isle of Wight, been there often. I suspect Blackkgang Chine is now much further inland.

    We will be feeling the effects of this cycle of storms until the next one is on us, I am under no illusions.

    Note the warm sea surface in the Atlantic in the maps in this NOAA-NCDC report:

    http://www.ncdc.noaa.gov/sotc/global/2014/1

  4. rayduray Says:

    Gosh, did anyone besides me get the feeling that I was watching a military recruitment advert?

    I realize that the grandstanding with the Chinook and the Hummers was staged on the Isle of Wight, but for my money, I’d prefer to see governments spending money on sensible solutions to high water such as these high clearance tractors: http://tinyurl.com/me8e693

    • dumboldguy Says:

      Grandstanding? Look in a mirror, Ray. I’m sure you’d rather that they were instead sent to some faraway exotic land to meet wonderful exotic people and kill them in the name of run amok capitalism? Or kept in their barracks scrubbing floors with toothbrushes?

      Ever been in the military, Ray?

      • redskylite Says:

        Talking of faraway exotic lands – there is severe drought in Namibia (in Africa)

        http://www.natureworldnews.com/articles/3451/20130812/namibia-faces-worst-drought-30-years-president-climate-change-blame.htm

        Children are suffering from malnutrition, cattle are dying perhaps worse, the president of Namibia thinks climate change is to blame, maybe yes maybe no.

        I don’t like to open up old wounds but some of my forefathers took people of that land and exploited them for money and sold them to some of your forefathers who also exploited them and made lots of money.

        http://www.jstor.org/discover/10.2307/4617604?uid=3738776&uid=2&uid=4&sid=21103553125263

        Are we not just doing more of the same by throwing continued emissions of CO2 into the stratosphere ? Have we learnt nothing, still scorn for the golden rule.

        “One should treat others as one would like others to treat oneself.”

        • dumboldguy Says:

          “The president of Namibia thinks climate change is to blame, maybe yes maybe no”. Namibia is in the same general latitude as drought-stricken Argentina and the Australia of floods, droughts, and wildfires—-they are all experiencing the climate craziness that was predicted for the Southern hemisphere by the AGW models. I vote Yes.

          No wounds for me, because my “forefathers” didn’t arrive in America until around 1900, so I don’t have any skin in the game regarding slavery or the Civil War, other than the fact that I have spent my life in a country that was deeply damaged by both of those things and spent a lot of time during my professional career “cleaning up” the aftereffects.

          “Are we not just doing more of the same by throwing continued emissions of CO2 into the stratosphere?”, you ask? I see equivalency there, although it is not as personal a thing as hauling someone half a world away from home and selling them. Present day free-markets and run amok capitalism are less personal for most—-they destroy your freedom by destroying your food, water air, and environment over time, and by bleeding wealth from the majority off to the greedy minority and making you a slave to the corporatocracy and consumerism. Invisible chains perhaps, but IMO, even more morally reprehensible.

      • rayduray Says:

        guy,

        I’ve not been in the military. I more-or-less ruined myself for that when I took up a subscription to Ramparts Magazine in 1965 at the age of 15 and opened my own eyes to the fraud being perpetrated in Viet Nam by a bunch of crazy imperialists. I wanted no part of their crime.

        • dumboldguy Says:

          How did you avoid the draft?

          • rayduray Says:

            I did not “avoid the draft”, sir. 🙂

            Nor did I shirk the Viet Nam War. I resisted. I fought against it with compatriots on the streets, in print and in meetings in Madison, Wisconsin on and near the University campus from 1969 until 1972. When I see the current photos of Kiev I am reminded of my youth. http://tinyurl.com/lr9kemr

            In 1971 Tricky Dick Nixon realized that he could cut down the campus resistance by creating a lottery system for the draft. It worked like a charm. Nixon was still able to draft all the involuntary cannon fodder he wanted for his illegal war, but only 1/3 of draft age males on college campuses were given that punishment/death threat. The other 2/3 were told that we were not subject to the draft. And resistance to the immoral war diminished drastically. Tricky Dick was a great judge of the character of callow, self-interested American youth and how to keep a lid (pun intended) on campus agitation.

            So, I guess I was lucky because I had friends who were forced to move to Canada to avoid the draft. They were slightly older than me. College deferment and the lottery got me through to graduation and my exodus to the Left Coast.

          • dumboldguy Says:

            Ray says “I did not “avoid the draft”, sir. :)”, and then proceeds to explain to us that he sort of did exactly that, and implies that he would have gone to Canada if he hadn’t gotten “lucky”. I didn’t mean to imply anything particularly negative by “avoid”, Ray—I was just curious. I’m an “avoider” too—-I avoid getting run over by busses by not stepping off the curb in front of them, getting wet by not standing out in the rain, etc.

            I myself “avoided” the VietNam war by being old enough to have enlisted in the USMC, served my time, and gotten my discharge before VietNam heated up. (I had watched John Wayne in The Sands of Iwo Jima too many times, and many in my generation thought it was a duty of all citizens to serve).

            VietNam was a shitty war, and I’m glad that I missed it—my buddies that stayed in and fought told me that I didn’t miss much. Of course, I did NOT reup when my hitch was over so that I could go over there—does that make me a “shirker”?

            I think you are moving into hyperbole when you speak of “fighting in the streets” and compare Madison WI to Kiev (or places like Egypt and Syria) Except for Kent State, there is NO comparison to be made—ever hear a bullet snap by over your head, Ray? It’s a far different experience than watching a flower child put a flower in the muzzle of a National Guardsman’s unloaded rifle.

            I like your analysis of Nixon’s motives, and assignation of “callow” to those who did not “fight in the streets” as you did. Too bad you were not among the 1/3—-if you were, you would have had a chance to really prove something.

          • rayduray Says:

            Semper fi, guy,

            Aha, I wouldn’t have taken you for a jarhead. I don’t expect Marines to engage in abstract discussions such as occurs here from time to time at Crocks.

            As to what life in the military would have been like for me, I’m afraid I’d have had entirely too much inclination to see the U.S. military-industrial complex as the enemy of the world’s people. For example, such was the case in almost everything Marine Lt. Gen. Smedley Butler involved himself in while on active duty. Are you familiar with his writing? “War is A Racket” http://www.ratical.org/ratville/CAH/warisaracket.html was something I only came across about a decade ago. That sort of thought was pretty well surpressed before the Internet opened a lot of back channels for non-mainstream media.

            But I digress….

          • dumboldguy Says:

            “But I digress….”, says Ray. How very true, as he continues to wander around smelling the wrong flowers and making unthinking comments. Ray is showing some small signs of narcissism lately—I hope he hasn’t caught it from Ugly-Pot.

            No one is ever going to take YOU for a “jarhead”, Ray, especially those of us who are capable of “abstract thought” (and there are many of us besides you in the world). You might want to remember that “jarhead” is a pejorative term that Marines may sometimes use jokingly among themselves but that it should not be used by members of other branches, and most certainly not by “resisters” who never served. Unless, of course, you want your face rearranged should you say it in front of the wrong Marine. Like any Marine that you have just insulted with smug and condescending comments like:

            “Aha, I wouldn’t have taken you for a jarhead. I don’t expect Marines to engage in abstract discussions such as occurs here from time to time at Crocks”, and your references to Smedley Butler’s work as if no Marine “capable of abstract thought” had ever heard of it.

            The fact that you “only came across him a decade ago” and speak of “thinking like his having been suppressed until the internet came along” says much about what you know and what you thought was important in your “formative years”. I learned of Butler (and Chesty Puller and Dan Daly) over 50 years ago and read War is a Racket 40+ years ago—probably about the same time you were reading Che Guevera for inspiration. Butler made $$$ touring the country making speeches about “The Racket” in the 1930’s, turned it into a book, and it was published in condensed form by Reader’s Digest, one of the most widely read publications of its time (along with Life and Saturday Evening Post)—-so much for “suppression”.

            You conjecture as to what life in the military would have been like for you? I suspect it would have been quite unpleasant, both for you and those tasked with making a “soldier” out of you if you had tried the army. (You likely would not even have survived Marine boot camp—-“military life” for you would then have been very short).

  5. adelady Says:

    The thing I don’t understand is why it took so long to get the Army involved in the first place. I realise that the distances and areas are much bigger in Australia, but the Army is always called in fairly promptly when we have serious flooding here.

  6. anotheralionel Says:

    “The thing I don’t understand is why it took so long to get the Army involved in the first place.”

    Well it takes time for the staff meeting of three serving top brass and two emeritus to work out how they can make ten soldiers run around the countryside making out that the Army is at full strength.

    Of course they could have mothball the three operational RN ships and used the crews from them.

    • dumboldguy Says:

      Don’t forget that they had to negotiate with the Lance Corporal’s union as well. Nothing happens until the grunts take over and send the officers off to tea.

  7. redskylite Says:

    Sky News on the aftermath:

  8. redskylite Says:

    The Telegraph:

    “The military played a crucial role during the recent winter storms that have buffeted Britain. Some 2,200 servicemen and women were deployed to help householders and businesses affected by flooding, and a further 3,000 were placed on standby.”

    More on the U.K military and sea level rise/flood future awareness

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/earth/flooding/10654272/Military-may-have-to-abandon-flood-prone-bases.html


Leave a Reply

Please log in using one of these methods to post your comment:

WordPress.com Logo

You are commenting using your WordPress.com account. Log Out /  Change )

Google photo

You are commenting using your Google account. Log Out /  Change )

Twitter picture

You are commenting using your Twitter account. Log Out /  Change )

Facebook photo

You are commenting using your Facebook account. Log Out /  Change )

Connecting to %s

%d bloggers like this: