New Right Wing Climate Theory – Tornadoes Stronger Because: Gays

December 13, 2013

Obviously gay tornado

Right Wing Watch:

America Needs Fatima, a project of the right-wing American Society for the Defense of Tradition, Family, and Property, is linking the tornadoes that hit Illinois this weekend to the state’s recent approval of a marriage equality bill. Robert Ritchie, the group’s executive director, is just asking the question:

Do you think the massive Illinois tornadoes are linked to the passing of the same sex “marriage” bill?

The massive tornadoes that hit Illinois after the passing of the same sex “marriage” bill, has stimulated many people to reflection.

In it, some see God’s chastisement; others see it as yet one more merciful warning from Providence; others yet deny both options and give various reasons.

What do you think?

Ritchie also offers a link to an America Needs Fatima article, “Is the Voice of God Resounding in the Recent Catastrophes,” which blames homosexuality for several natural disasters.

What do you think?

52 Responses to “New Right Wing Climate Theory – Tornadoes Stronger Because: Gays”

  1. daveburton Says:

    When a weather disaster strikes, people grasp for explanations. Some wonder, “is God punishing us for aborting innocent babies and encouraging sexual perversion?” Others wonder, “is Gaia punishing us for driving SUVs and paving forests?”

    Jesus pretty much shot down the first of those ideas, among Christians. He said, “your Father in heaven causes his sun to rise on the evil and the good, and sends rain on the righteous and the unrighteous.” So the belief that storms are God’s punishment for man’s sins is on the fringe of Christian theology (though it’s very much mainstream in some Eastern religions).

    Unfortunately, the “Gaia hypothesis” and similar superstitions have a great deal of traction in the Climate Movement.

    • You actually have to think if pollution has an effect on your health or if putting your house in tidewater sand might result in the house collapsing when the beach erodes away? What kind of deity is necessary for you to understand that? Pardon e moi. Which way to the national solstice Gaia ceremony? I think I made a mistake on my compulsory Gaia national tithing. I did something bad. The Koch made me do it. Do you have difficulty differentiating between literal and figurative? Between poetry and propaganda. Is subtlety lost on you? Do you prefer conventional superstition or unconventional? Paper or plastic?

      • omnologos Says:

        Not sure what’s so strange in seeing people ascribe bad climate to God’s Wrath. Once climate change is described as a moral or even outright religious topic (see ) then of course some types with peculiar beliefs will make the connection in a way that they understand.

        Some will blame gays, others (Susan Brook Thistlethwaite) will complain about the sin of climate change denial.

        It’s a can of worms, or shall we say flies.

        • We can attribute it to any religious beliefs we wish. When we see it is something in the realm of praying to statues or chanting magic words, there is really no harm in believing that doing something might improve our outcomes, whether it is based in anything rational or logical or not.

          When we judge the actions of others as having caused harm, we then cause harm to those whose actions we judge. It is one thing to say, “thank you for bringing me good fortunes.” It is clearly another to say, “I wish you would die because you are evil and your actions cause us all harm.” We usually ask people to quietly deal with their extreme beliefs because we do not wish to spur on the harmful actions of the weak minded. That is probably a good impulse.

          It is a sad situation when we allow the insanities of special groups to become part of public policy, or part of mass action towards innocent groups of people. There is nothing wrong with holding the conflicting beliefs that comprise “The Bible” as a basis for one’s life. When you beat others over the head with that book, sometimes fatally, then it is time to take your freedom to harm others away, and leave those alone who have done nothing directly to harm you.

          These people can believe that tolerance causes “God” to cause tornadoes. I just wish that we could get these people to be quiet, take their pills, and leave others alone.

        • Nothing strange. Stupidity and ignorance is rather common. However, any idiot can see the moral right wants to control everyone through politics and dislikes gays. From their perspective, it’s two birds with one stone. Tolerance is moral. Right wing zealotry motivated by hatred and bigotry is not. The reference is political, that we may be smote by the deity, because a bill passed. The bill was probably not even passed by gays. It’s a curious way to influence elections. Vote my way, or my deity will punish you. From right wing religious intolerance to pagan deities, to gays, is a logical soup with the wrong ingredients and a sour taste. Tastes like logical fallacy.

    • dumboldguy Says:

      Dave says, “Unfortunately, the “Gaia hypothesis” and similar superstitions have a great deal of traction in the Climate Movement”

      Really, Dave? “…a great deal of traction”? “Gaia hypothesis and SIMILAR SUPERSTITIONS”? That’s simply NOT true—it’s just more of daveburtons patented running-his-mouth-without-facts opinion-BS that he hopes will slip by those who watch daveburton’s antics on Crock.

      Sorry, Dave, but you will have to tell us exactly where we can see this “great deal of ‘SUPERSTITIOUS’ traction in the Climate Movement” before we will believe any of it.

      While you’re at it, you might also speak to the fundamentalist christian superstition that seems to have “a great deal of traction” in the Denier Movement and among conservatives. It seems that there are a lot more folks in the Denier Movement who operate from a basis of faith and belief in superstition than there are in the Climate Movement who operate from a basis of science and rational analysis..

      • Seth Lloyd, of the Massachusetts Institute of Technology is one of the chief people working on the advancement of “Quantum Computing.” Professor Lloyd, along with a number of others from Cambridge University, Oxford University, CalTech, and a number of other programs approaching Quantum Computing and Cosmology, are now beginning to advance the idea that the Universe itself may be a self aware Quantum Computer. I suggest doing a Google search on the nature of Professor Lloyd’s work specifically, because he has been very vocal on the subject.

        If you look at the implications of this concept, along with the latest musings from those working with the Large Hadron Collider, and other related Quantum Mechanics projects, you will find that the idea of a “sentient Universe” is no longer “superstition,” but sitting on the cutting edge of Cosmology and Quantum Mechanics.

        If you look at the underlying ideas of Gaia, whether you would like to dismiss them as lunacy or not, actually comport in many respects to the idea of Gaia. They are not an exact match, but neither was all the aspect of the Special and General Theories of Relativity, until modifications were made based on continuing research. Einstein himself as a Pantheist, which again, is very much like what Gaia projects in theory.

        It seems somewhat similar to some of us to the actions of religious zealots to dismiss spiritually based understandings of existence as “superstition without examining all the contributing components of its origins, and matching them to what is known in fact and reasonable hypothesis. It may be that the vast majority of concepts in Gaia make little sense, but your assessment of it needs to be matched to the latest of Quantum advancements, and have the arrogant all knowing loftiness set aside for a calm and rational assessment based on information rather than emotional reaction. Just a thought.

        • dumboldguy Says:

          You misunderstand, Jeffrey. I have been invgolvrd in and studying “environmental issues” since Silent Spring and Earth Day. I have read Lovelock’s work and am familiar with Lloyd’s as well. I have looked at the “implications of this concept”, and the “latest musings from those working with the Large Hadron Collider, and other related Quantum Mechanics projects”.

          I do NOT consider the idea of a “sentient Universe” to be “superstition,” but rather a proposed “Ocam’s Razor” solution based on real science by real scientists (not engineers). Nor do I reject the Gaia Hypothesis. All of that is really quite “elegant” in its reasoning and I have always found it appealing. It’s one of what I call the “WOW” ideas, because of the thoughts about how they could be in fact true.

          What I DID mean for you to take from my comments was that daveburton was again dissembling when he spoke of “superstitions gaining a great deal of traction in the Climate movement”. I was trying to make the point that “the Climate movement” did NOT operate from a base of superstition, that his scorn was unwarranted, and that HE was the one being superstitious with his references to Jesus and the Christian religion. He is just throwing his usual horsepucky out to cloud and confuse the issue. Religion has NO place here. Please reread my remarks with that in mind—-sorry my intent was not clear.

          The truth is that I myself would rather have a sentient universe in control than the human-invented “gods” under whose “guidance” many have been enslaved or slaughtered and the planet endangered. Whoever or whatever came up with the “sentient universe” is the true “God” and “creative designer” (If the S.U. DOES exist—I wait eagerly for more evidence). I am also quite sure that he/she/it/they “cares” not one bit about the thing called the human race on the flyspeck planet earth. In fact, if the “sentient universe” were to look at what humans and religion have done to the planet, he/she/it/they might send a 500 Km diameter asteroid our way and put us out of our misery.

          • Understood. Thanks for the clarification. It is odd how many people see the need to anthropomorphize something as complex as an idea of great natural power. It is odd to me, that people someone talk about Black Holes “eating matter.” There seems to be a need to humanize literally everything. We even name weather events. The irony is that many will defer to an unseen “God” that is called “God,” “Allah,” or whatever, but many of those same people still insist that man himself lacks the capacity to have negatively impacted our environment to a point of global outcomes. Peace.

  2. daveburton Says:

    {sorry, I bungled the link tags again… here’s the corrected version… Peter, please just delete the 5:20 pm botched one, above}

    When a weather disaster strikes, people grasp for explanations. Some wonder, “is God punishing us for aborting innocent babies and encouraging sexual perversion?” Others wonder, “is Gaia punishing us for driving SUVs and paving forests?”

    Jesus pretty much shot down the first of those ideas, among Christians. He said, “your Father in heaven causes his sun to rise on the evil and the good, and sends rain on the righteous and the unrighteous.” So the belief that storms are God’s punishment for man’s sins is on the fringe of Christian theology (though it’s very much mainstream in some Eastern religions).

    Unfortunately, the “Gaia hypothesis” and similar superstitions have a great deal of traction in the Climate Movement.

  3. fortranprog Says:

    Interestingly Greek Earth mother goddess “Gaia” is being banded about again, first by “kingdube” and now DB. Linking Gaia with climate change was started by James Lovelock, the man who first discovered CFC’s and is more likely to be used by coolists (a nicer term for deniers) than warmists as it means that the Earth will self regulate the additional gases we are throwing at it an there is nothing to worry about at all – so keep on drilling. Lovelock has some interesting views on Nuclear power too.

    “A television interviewer once asked me, ‘But what about nuclear waste? Will it not poison the whole biosphere and persist for millions of years?’ I knew this to be a nightmare fantasy wholly without substance in the real world… One of the striking things about places heavily contaminated by radioactive nuclides is the richness of their wildlife. This is true of the land around Chernobyl, the bomb test sites of the Pacific, and areas near the United States’ Savannah River nuclear weapons plant of the Second World War. Wild plants and animals do not perceive radiation as dangerous, and any slight reduction it may cause in their lifespans is far less a hazard than is the presence of people and their pets… I find it sad, but all too human, that there are vast bureaucracies concerned about nuclear waste, huge organisations devoted to decommissioning power stations, but nothing comparable to deal with that truly malign waste, carbon dioxide.”

    • These opinions re nuke waste are right up there with Oregon institute wing nuts. Just dilute it by sprinkling it from planes, it’s good for you. His exhortations and Mullers recent mistakes re tornados, are evidence for why specialists are needed to study diverse areas. Also shows where lack of respect for professional specialists leads you. Studies of chernobyl show decreased bird and invertebrate populations with all kinds of defects. Fukushima has shown other population effects. There is no justification or support for Lovelocks assertions other than the obvious lack of hunting pressure on some game animals. The vast majority of serious professionals in those fields would find his comments disturbing. Unfortunately, some are lulled into false belief.

  4. andrewfez Says:

    Whoa, I thought we were being cursed by God for killing Iraqi soldiers and Iraqi civilians so that our contractors could gorge on tax dollars in the name of oil stability?

    Watch the video again and substitute ‘Iraq War’ for the other excuses, or try to imagine they’re talking about the Iraq War:

    Iraq War debacle and oil addiction were the seeds of a murderous bloody crop.

    Iraq War – you open the door to killing, it’s got a lot a different manifestations, but if you choose leaders that say, ‘Oh I support killin’…’, we’ve opened the door to all a this.

    Iraq War – if you choose a good policy you get blessed with it on the spot, if you choose a bad policy….

  5. andrewfez Says:

    Remember that Boulder story about the Xcel Energy vs. the people of the city?

    Welp, the people won. Adapt, sign some FSLR contracts or the like, or get punished by radical public takeover.

  6. Same battle in Germany, Similar sentiment in Georgia. People feel slighted, voiceless, and alienated in the face of a giant, faceless, impersonal monopoly that controls their lives. They prefer to choose their destiny and have a part in it. Grass roots local democracy. This issue transcends technology choices, even politics. It’s more cultural and personal. Dare I say ethical and spiritual? Is not the environmental movement spiritual? Do we need to have a filter that says those whose hearts are guided by love of nature must be divided by their choice of deity?
    Is the deity the problem or, like those attacking Hayhoe with threats, rather behavior the problem?

    • dumboldguy Says:

      VERY well said!

    • dumboldguy Says:

      Christopher, not that you don’t make some great comments, but the “VERY well said” was meant for someone else. Don’t know how it ended up here—I must have put it leave a reply rather than reply (I get so confused sometimes)

  7. Is one a pervert if they are sexually excited by Tornadoes? If “God” uses them as a tool of voicing dissatisfaction, would it be wrong to be sexually aroused by THAT? (Yes, I am meanly mocking the entire concept of Tornadoes as punishment.)

    It seems that we are entertaining the same mindset that tilts at invisible demons while standing in their own urine on street corners. Why are such ideas considered as newsworthy in the first place? Why are we not suggesting that these people seek mental health professionals? When the people who believe that Anton LaVey’s version of Satanism is more compassionate than some extreme versions of Christianity, no one prints that anywhere. I do not profess to be a Satanist, (I am actually a Buddhist), but if one read what Mr. LaVey suggested as the basis for his version of Satanism, much of it is actually marginally more compassionate than the hate filled dribble from the Westboro Baptist Church, and some people like Pat Robertson.

    Just a thought.

    • dumboldguy Says:

      Enlighten me. Haven’t studied religion extensively, but I can’t recall that there was ever a Tibetan Inquisition conducted by Buddhist monks, or that there were any Buddhist Crusades. Did anyone ever “kill for Buddha” like so many Christians have “killed for Christ”?

      • Wish I could suggest that Buddhists are free of the insanity of other religious institutions. In both Sri Lanka and Burma, Buddhist Monks are actually KILLING Muslims in villages controlled by Buddhist government officials. It is disgusting. I make no claim that ours is any saner than any others, but the Buddha advocated non-violence, and meditation and compassion as the “prime directives,” if you will. Sadly, people interpret many nice things in less than nice ways, and in this latest round of insanity, Buddhist Monks are killing insanely.

        Historically, there was actually also an instance where a Chinese Emperor asked the Shaolin Monks, (Southern Chinese Monks from the Ch’an Sect of Buddhism) to attack foreign “Pirates” off the coast of China. The Shaolin were quite efficient (vicious) in their attacks, and many were accused of atrocities.

        Aside from those two incidents, which were quite disgraceful, I am not aware of any other major issues like that.

        The Chinese Government has reignited the Shaolin Order in China, minus any of the spiritual basis from Buddhism. Mostly, they do fantastical martial arts demonstrations, and break bricks on their bellies and so on. The Chinese also invaded Tibet and exiled the Dalai Lama, who promotes peace, compassion, and tolerance. He is no less a political figure than the Pope, but a little less willing to be aggressive in criticizing foreign leaders, or other religions.

        If you would like to know more, I am studying to be a Buddhist Cleric, and I would be happy to explain whatever you wish. By the way, Buddhism does not exclude science. It accepts and incorporates what is learned. It is really more psychology than actual religion. Peace.

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