New Climate Denial Meme: “It’s cold in Antarctica”. Duh.

December 17, 2013

Fox News is all over it.
It’s even cropped up on my comment threads.

Antarctica is cold, so no global warming.

It’s a favorite ploy of denialists to crib a story from NASA or other legit group, distort it, and pretend it says what it does not.
It is all part of their desperate attempt to steal what they do not have – credibilty.
In this case, quoting National Snow and Ice Data Center Lead Scientist, Ted Scambos, about a new measured temp at the south pole.

I did not speak to Dr. Scambos at AGU this year, although I saw him briefly in the press room – but I did interview him in 2012 – above.  In it, he gives a wider overview of north and south polar changes. That is, ice loss, warming temperatures, and more rapid sea level rise.

CBS News:

Baby, it’s cold outside. But if you think this is bad, picture spending your summer months in Antarctica: a new data set shows that the South Pole set a world record for low temperature in 2010, and came within fractions of a degree of the same temperature this July.

According to new NASA satellite data, the mercury dipped to -135.8 degrees Fahrenheit in August 2010, and -135.3 degrees on July 31, 2013.

Researchers called it “soul-crushing” cold. It’s so cold that most of the time researchers actually need to breathe through a snorkel that brings air into the coat through a sleeve and warms it up “so you don’t inhale by accident” the cold air, said ice scientist Ted Scambos, of the National Snow and Ice Data Center.
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While the reading is interesting, it doesn’t mean much in the grand scheme, said Waleed Abdalati, an ice scientist at the University of Colorado and NASA’s former chief scientist.

Both Abdalati, who wasn’t part of the measurement team, and Scambos said this is likely an unusual random reading in a place that hasn’t been measured much before and could have been colder or hotter in the past and we wouldn’t know.

“It does speak to the range of conditions on this Earth, some of which we haven’t been able to observe,” Abdalati said.

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169 Responses to “New Climate Denial Meme: “It’s cold in Antarctica”. Duh.”


  1. We need to discuss the ice on the other end of the globe also because it sure is not fitting the hopes and dreams and projections that you maintain here. I will provide it for you the proper time line of Amundsen’s expedition to the arctic in 1903 to 1906.
    1. June 16, 1903
    “Roald Amundsen and his crew of six men and six sled dogs sail from Oslo in Gjøa, a 70-foot herring boat. (This is more than the modern sailors of the day could do today with a modern vessel rather than a 70 foot wooden sailing vessel that did have a 13 horsepower single-screw marine paraffin motor installed on it.)
    6. August 13, 1905
    Amundsen sails from Gjoa Haven. A few days later, Gjøa encounters a whaling ship from San Francisco coming towards it from the west in approximately this location. Amundsen now knows he will complete the Northwest Passage.

    http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/nova/arctic/expe-nf.html

    1906, ROALD AMUNDSEN – FIRST SUCCESSFUL TRANSIT
    The little sailing ship boasted a 13-hp engine, stowed enough food and supplies for five years, and carried an experienced Arctic crew of seven. He completed a three-year voyage, excluding three winters simply trapped in ice.
    1906 ONWARDS – LATER EXPEDITIONS
    1921 – 1924: Greenlander Knud Rasmussen and two Greenland Inuit completed the first traversal of the Northwest Passage, travelling from the Atlantic to the Pacific, via dog sled.
    1940: Canadian officer Henry Larsen was the second to sail the passage, crossing west to east, from Vancouver to Halifax. http://www.fcpnorthwestpassage.com/about/previous-explorers
    These are some 2013 sailors accounts, sure doesn’t seem like the arctic is Ice free like Peter’s hero, James Hansen, tried to tell his blurry eyed followers. If he is so wrong about this, what is right about?
    “NASA warming scientist: ‘This is the last chance’ Posted 6/23/2008 9:35 PM
    “…..We see a tipping point occurring right before our eyes,” Hansen told the AP before the luncheon. “The Arctic is the first tipping point and it’s occurring exactly the way we said it would.”
    Hansen, echoing work by other scientists, said that in five to 10 years, the Arctic will be free of sea ice in the summer.

    http://usatoday30.usatoday.com/tech/science/2008-06-23-1642922053_x.htm

    22-08-2013 positie: 72°11′ N 091°47′ W – Prince Regent Inlet 
    temperatuur: 0,2 gr 
    watertemperatuur: 0,1 gr 
    “Time to give an explanation to our decision to give up our attempt to cross the NW Passage (NWP) this season. […]The weather is variable, global warming not lineair and the time span to sail this passage in one summer is at best short. […] Then there is a clear difference in water temperature between this year and the last years. We experience water temperatures of around zero C., whereas yachts of the past years talk about 5+. This means that ice melts slower and that it will freeze sooner, once temperatures start dropping again. This will shorten the time you are given to get through the passage.”

    http://northwestpassage2013.blogspot.com/2013/08/sv-tooluka-makes-nw-passage-decision.html

    23:08:2013 – Fort Ross and mail from Chalky
    by ArcticWidow @ 23/08/2013 – 09:53:24
    “Hi Love,
    Bad news from Canada I’m afraid. Its crunch time and we’ve had to turn back and head out of the passage. Decision made about half an hour ago and we’re now heading back out from Bellot across to the eastern side of Regent to head back towards Baffin eventually. Really sad but the ice hasn’t moved from Franklin Straight and Bellot is impassable and Peel hasn’t opened at the top all season.”

    http://northwestpassage2013.blogspot.com/2013/08/sv-tooluka-makes-nw-passage-decision.html

    Barrow Sea Ice Webcam

    http://seaice.alaska.edu/gi/observatories/barrow_webcam

    • greenman3610 Says:

      right. it only took admundsen 3 years.
      therefore the passage was “open”.
      thanks, Swallow!


      • A little quicker then 3 years now:

        http://www.npr.org/blogs/thetwo-way/2013/09/27/226856198/freighter-makes-first-of-its-kind-transit-of-northwest-passage

        “A Danish shipping company announced Friday{September 27, 2013} the first-ever voyage of a large commercial freighter through the Northwest Passage — a journey made possible by the disappearance of Arctic ice due to global warming.

        The 75,000 ton Nordic Orion, en route from Vancouver, Canada, to a port in Finland, completed the polar portion of the route this week. The freighter is scheduled to arrive at its destination, the Finnish port of Pori, on Oct. 7, according to Reuters. The ship is delivering coal to Ruukki Metals, a Finnish steel producer.

        However, that the voyage is only possible because of climate change is not without irony. By using the Northwest Passage, the vessel took a 1,000 nautical-mile shortcut, bypassing the Panama Canal, saving time and money, and reducing its greenhouse gas emissions because of fuel savings, Sakari Kallo, senior vice president of metals production at Ruukki, tells Reuters.”


        • You, Anthropogenic climate change passenger, have entering into the shrinking ranks of the totally uninformed that believe that CO2 has anything to do with the climate. Have you forgotten about the idiots on the M.V. Akademik Shokalskiy that are now trapped in the ice that was not there when explorer Douglas Mawson’s Australasian Antarctic Expedition made the same trip a century ago. Get real and get honest and that is something that you will never do given the amount of brainwashing you have endured.

          (It should really billow your skirt that this ship was loaded with coal)
          Sep. 19 2013, 2:11 PM EDT “Earlier this month, the ice-strengthened bulk carrier Nordic Orion was loaded with coal at a Vancouver terminal. From there, it headed to Finland via the Northwest Passage, undertaking a voyage that could make it the first commercial bulk carrier to traverse the route since the SS Manhattan broke through in 1969.”

          http://www.theglobeandmail.com/report-on-business/international-business/european-business/bulk-carrier-capitalizes-on-arctic-shortcut/article14405743/


        • I’m sure, Anthropogenic climate change passenger, that in your agw induced haze of reality, you missed this IMPORTANT information.
          “The SS Manhattan, undertaken to test the viability of shipping oil from Alaska to the Gulf of Mexico, was repeatedly trapped by ice and the U.S. turned away from the idea and instead built a pipeline.”

          http://www.theglobeandmail.com/report-on-business/international-business/european-business/bulk-carrier-capitalizes-on-arctic-shortcut/article14405743/

          Please present me with some other “relevant” information about the arctic.

          • dumboldguy Says:

            In his stupidity-induced state of non-reality, S-Head has missed some IMPORTANT and relevant information about the arctic as he so eagerly picks out ONE sentence from an article and misses the whole point of the article.

            “The SS Manhattan, undertaken to test the viability of shipping oil from Alaska to the Gulf of Mexico, was repeatedly trapped by ice and the U.S. turned away from the idea and instead built a pipeline.”

            Uh, S-Head? The Manhattan made its voyage in 1969! That’s 45 YEARS AGO, and coincides nicely with the beginning time of good records on arctic sea ice decline. The point of the article was that global warming since then is now making it possible for ships to traverse the arctic regularly, and that has implications for safety and legalities.

            S-Head says “Please present me with some other “relevant” information about the arctic”. I just did, but must ask “Why bother?” He NEVER pays attention.


          • If you would like more info on her then read “Breaking Ice for Arctic Oil: The Epic Voyage of the SS Manhattan through the Northwest Passage”

            This icebreaker tanker not only got stuck on more than once but had to be rescued by the John A. MacDonald (an ice breaker)

            I have the Kindle version.


      • Peter; You obviously are unaware that Roald Amundsen used this trip to find out what he needed to do to get, successfully, to the South Pole. This the preparation that Scott failed to do and that cost him his life. The reason it took this long for him to make the trip was part of this preparation, in case you haven’t noticed. You obviously missed on Aug.13, 1905 the part about him seeing the ship:
        “A few days later, Gjøa encounters a whaling ship from San Francisco coming towards it from the west in approximately this location. Amundsen now knows he will complete the Northwest Passage.”

        Facts are great unless you are wanting to deny them, as you constantly do.


    • From before:
      “‘We have to get rid of the Medieval Warm Period.’
      The Medieval Warm Period (MWP) was a time of unusually warm weather…”

      That’s really an amusing statement considering back in 1975 National Academy of Sciences published a report called Understanding Climate Change: A Program for Action [ISBN 0-309-02323-8]
      On page 149 Appendix A under this section ‘The Last 1000 Years’ reads as follows:

      “The early part of the last millennium (about A.D. 1100 to 1400) is sometimes called the middle age warm epoch but was evidently not as warm as the first half of the 20th century. The period from about 1430 to 1850 is commonly known as the little Ice Age, and some records indicate that this period had cold maximum in the fifteenth and seventeenth centuries. …”

      Not Medieval or period.


      • Anthropogenic climate change passenger: If you do not want to believe this below, the explain why:
        Figure 2 Variations in regional surface temperatures for the last 18,000 years, estimated from a variety of sources. Shown are changes in°C, from the value for 1900. Compiled by R. S. Bradley and J. A. Eddy based on J. T. Houghton et al., Climate Change: The IPCC Assessment, Cambridge University Press, Cambridge, 1990 and published in EarthQuest, vol 5, no 1, 1991.

        http://gcrio.org/CONSEQUENCES/winter96/article1-fig2.html

        Do I trust the National Academy of Sciences? No! is the answer. Do you trust the EPA?
        Read the Government’s EPA report which has been held back at http://cei.org/cei_files/fm/active/0/DOC062509-004.pdf the government’s own data shows that AGW is a scam, maybe that is why it has been held up?
        As Orwell put it: ( Look this one up, if you care to do so)
        “Day by day and almost minute by minute the past was brought up to date. In this way every prediction made by the Party could be shown by documentary evidence to have been correct; nor was any item of news, or any expression of opinion, which conflicted with the needs of the moment, ever allowed to remain on record. All history was a palimpsest, scraped clean and reinscribed exactly as often as was necessary.” George Orwell


        • I have no problem with that at all but I’m actually able to read and take time to read the article (with comprehension).

          Same source: http://gcrio.org/CONSEQUENCES/winter96/geoclimate.html

          “A picture of what is known of climate changes through the last 100 million years is shown in terms of estimated surface temperature in Figures 1-6, and described briefly below….”

          First off notice the word “ESTIMATED surface temperature”.
          Also look at figure 1

          http://gcrio.org/CONSEQUENCES/winter96/article1-fig1.html

          Notice they seem to contradict each other but in reality they don’t because it is not a temperature reconstruction but a what? ESTIMATED and REGIONAL.

          If only you could find a global temperature reconstruction for the North hemisphere . But apparently you tend to reject that one.

          Variations in regional surface temperatures for the last 18,000 years, estimated from a variety of sources
          From figure 2 http://gcrio.org/CONSEQUENCES/winter96/article1-fig2.html
          Notice the word estimated and regional again.

          If not then you’ll have to explain why your source seem to contradicts itself and why you’re not able to grasp that

          By the way have you found Feynman’s quote yet!


  2. “In his stupidity-induced state of non-reality, S-Head has missed some IMPORTANT and relevant information about the arctic as he so eagerly picks out ONE sentence from an article and misses the whole point of the article.” Well stupid old ass hole, here it is

    “The expedition is being lead by Chris Turney, a climate scientist, who was hoping to reach the base camp of Douglas Mawson, one of the most famous Antarctic explorers, and repeat observations done by him in 1912 to see what impact climate change had made.”
    “Australian icebreaker Aurora Australis was unable to reach them because it was not strong enough to break through.”
    “He said trying to break through ice that was too thick would be ‘like driving your car into a brick wall’.”
    UzUrBrain, Omaha, United States, 9 hours ago
    74 Global warming scientists and advocates plus the ships crew went to Antarctica In an ice-strengthened ship to prove to the world that Antarctic sea ice had disappeared because of manmade global warming (caused by CO2 they claim.) This was done in celebration of the trip made 100 years ago and to follow in the footsteps of explorer Douglas Mawson. They got stuck in ten foot thick sea ice they claimed melted away from global warming. A hundred years ago, the entire region, right up to the shore, was completely clear of ice. Explorer Douglas Mawson got within 50 yards of shore in a wooden ship with only a sextant, and was only stopped because of low water. He then traveled 300 miles inland. Those on board the Academic Shokalskiy with GPS navigation, on-board Internet, radar, and satellite communications only got within miles of shore.

    FauxSlayer, Rosehill, 11 hours ago
    It is SUMMER in Antarctica ! ! ! Poetic justice for the Chicken Little “science” of climate, conceived to FORCE Carbon taxes and controls, never subjected to multidisciplinary review by the established sciences, directed by monarch-monopolists and funded by stolen tax money. Visit the Publications tab at Principia Scientific International for the correct science. This is a rigged, three sided debate between the Darth BIG Warmists, the Luke LITTLE Warmists and the Obie NO Warmists. Obie KNOWS the correct science.

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2531159/Antarctic-crew-build-ice-helipad-help-rescuers.html

    • dumboldguy Says:

      So S-Head thinks I’m a “stupid old ass hole”? My oh my, but the inelegance of his insults is surpassed only by his stupidity, as he doubles down on his obsession with a meaningless event. Some ship may be stuck in the ice somewhere (proving absolutely nothing), but it is safe to say that S-Head’s head is stuck also—-so far up his “S.O.A.H.” that he may never see the light of day again. I am so glad I started abbreviating his name to S-Head—-how appropriate that is!

      (and I’ll bet his mother wore combat boots, too!)


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