Post-Flood Midwest Farms a Wasteland. Deniers – “They need more CO2″

June 4, 2012

Devastating floods on the Missouri River last year were the type of event that will become more and more familiar in a warming world.  In the ivory towers of Climate Denial think tanks, “CO2 is good for plants”.  In the real world where the rest of us live, things get stickier.

Duluth News-Tribune:

Mason Hansen guns his pickup and cranks the steering wheel to spin through sand up to 4 feet high, but this is no day at the beach.

Hanson once grew corn and soybeans in the sandy wasteland in western Iowa, and his frustration is clear. Despite months spent hauling away tons of sand dropped when the flooded Missouri River engulfed his farm last summer, parts of the property still look like a desert.

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Shawn Shouse, an Iowa State University engineer and agribusiness expert, said most farmers can repair their land, but for some it will take another year or two of work. The first chore is removing the sand.

“The sand doesn’t hold nutrients and water the way soil does, so it’s not suitable for growing crops,” he said. “If the deposits are thin, they can stir them into the soil and probably get along well. But when the deposits are several feet thick, they really have to move that sand somewhere else. That can be really expensive _ and you have to figure out what to do with it.”

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The U.S. Department of Agriculture has approved more than $20 million in disaster aid for Iowa and Nebraska, which will help farmers with the cost of moving sand, grading land and filling scour holes.

“It’s just totally, totally devastating,” Olson said. “The dollar amount for what it takes to put it all back together again is going to be tremendous. And it’s going to cost you, the taxpayer, in case you haven’t already figured that out.”

Hundreds of farmers are still struggling to remove sand and fill holes gouged by the Missouri River, which swelled with rain and snowmelt, overflowed its banks and damaged thousands of acres along its 2,341-mile route from Montana through North Dakota, South Dakota, Nebraska, Kansas, Iowa and Missouri. The worst damage and the largest sand deposits were in Iowa and Nebraska.

“We’ll be working on this for years,” Hansen said. “It’ll never be right. Ever. People don’t have any idea how big of a mess this is.”

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75 Responses to “Post-Flood Midwest Farms a Wasteland. Deniers – “They need more CO2″”


  1. […] and incoherent comments made by someone called jdouglashuahin on Climate Denial Crock of the Week (this and this being just the tips of a couple of very large icebergs), I am going to devote the whole of […]

  2. Martin Lack Says:

    To Dave and jdouglashuahin:

    Here is my antidote to the “cherrypickeritis” you seem to have acquired:

    http://skepticalscience.com/still-going-down-the-up-escalator.html

    As for USA having the most accurate temperature records? As Mike says, accuracy and precision are different things. The US data may be the best in the world(?) but they will never be representative of global averages. As for the latter, Richard A Muller has conceded that global warming is not an artefact of the heat island effect; and I think it well past the time that you did too.

    http://lackofenvironment.wordpress.com/2011/10/26/questions-for-dr-richard-a-muller/

    As for the melting of permafrost in Tibet? Similarly, weather and climate are different things. The Permafrost in Tibet is melting; just as it is in Siberia and Canada too. However, that does not stop record-breaking low temperatures occasionally being recorded.


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  4. jdouglashuahin Says:

    Martin; You do not disappoint because you are constantly dreaming up new and false issues to try to support your belief in anthropogenic global warming. The video is a CROCK put together by BBC and you wasted my time watching it. That the Soviets were not smart enough to use VSMs when traversing permafrost such as was done with the Trans Alaska Pipeline an d they are having no problems after all of these years of oil flowing through the line.

    Then you discount this entirely that is exclusively about permafrost because it goes totally against your flawed view:

     Arctic treeline advance not as fast as previously believed
    Carey Restino | The Arctic Sounder | Mar 18, 2012
      http://www.alaskadispatch.com/article/arctic-treeline-advance-not-fast-previously-believed

    This is in addition to the post where I demonstrated that it is the SUN that controls the earth’s climate, that may be news to you:
    These are some very smart people, Martin, and the best part of it is that they, unlike Hansen, Gore and many others in your camp, they are HONEST.
    Jasper Kirkby: The CLOUD experiment at CERN

    I most closely align with these people than I do with irrational folks that spout the type of nonsense seen on these pages:
    “In an unprecedented slap at NASA’s endorsement of global warming science, nearly 50 former astronauts and scientists–including the ex-boss of the Johnson Space Center–claim the agency is on the wrong side of science and must change course or ruin the reputation of the world’s top space agency.”

    http://washingtonexaminer.com/politics/washington-secrets/2012/04/astronauts-condemn-nasa%E2%80%99s-global-warming-endorsement/469366

  5. Mike Says:

    Peter, I think you may need to act on your warning.

    • jdouglashuahin Says:

      Mike: Are your believes so fragile that they can not be bothered by the truth? It would appear so if you do not think that Jasper Kirkby’s The CLOUD experiment at CERN plus the test that Dr. Svensmark conducted to prove his hypotheses that, and it must some how seem very strange and impossible to you, the sun, of all things, is the main influence on what the earth’s climate does and that HAS always been the case.
      Today the Earth’s axial tilt is about 23.5 degrees, which largely accounts for our seasons and that has to do with the angle that the sun’s rays are directed at the earth.
      One hypothesis for Earth’s reaction to a smaller degree of axial tilt is that it would promote the growth of ice sheets and isn’t that what causes what are known as ice ages?

      I had presented this challenge to Martin and he failed to provide any links to where one could go to see these test unlike the test that Jasper Kirkby and the ones that the very intelligent Dane, Dr. Svensmark, conducted. That is what scientist do, develop hypotheses and then test them and welcome anyone to disprove their finding. Is that news to those of you that cry out in anguish when ever your theory, and that is all it is, is questioned?

      Coincidentally, Mike, every lab experiment every done trying to correlate “warming” with CO2 has failed! If you can show me some empirical test results I would love to see them Please NOTE, not computer models or explanations – test results. Everyone is well aware of IR radiation on CO2 and that CO2 infused atmospheres cool slower but to date there has not been one reproducible experiment that links CO2 to warming in the atmosphere – a rather inconvenient fact wouldn’t you say?

      • Mike Says:

        Given your and your mate Dave’s propensity to Gish Gallop and given Peter’s dislike of such nonsense I will repeat my offer to Dave to you. Come over to my blog and discuss things. All you need to do is follow my simple rules. For the record, lecturing about howscienceisconducted will do nothing to engender yourself to me given my background and your lack thereof.

        So, I will not be responding to you here in Peter’s blog anymore but am more than happy to discuss the difference between real science and your twisted idea of science over at my blog. My guess is you will ignore this offer and take the cowardly course of action by responding to me in here again knowing I won’t respond.

        Time to show your true mettle.


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