Tobacco and the Anti Science Movement – more video

January 25, 2012

The anti-science movement, including the climate denial movement, owes its beginnings as a serious organized force to the tobacco industry.
The same people who have peddled addictive poison to billions of the world’s most vulnerable, are the good people who have brought you the twisted web of “sound science”, non-thinking “think” tanks, and ignorant “experts” who today congratulate themselves as the planet careens to a precipice.

Those who spread the misinformation and outright lies of the climate denial industry, are useful idiots of some of history’s coldest and greediest killers.

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10 Responses to “Tobacco and the Anti Science Movement – more video”

  1. otter17 Says:

    >> “Those who spread the misinformation and outright lies of the climate denial industry, are useful idiots of some of history‚Äôs coldest and greediest killers.”

    I don’t know about the guys at the top of the denial circle being intentionally cold-hearted killers. From what I can tell, they also truly believe their own alternate reality. The National Academy of Sciences is wrong; the scientists are untrustworthy; climate change mitigation attempts are going to ruin the world, etc. At least my experience with talking with someone at WUWT that was supposedly fairly high up at an oil company seems to indicate that he truly believed that climate mitigation action would cause massive human suffering by taking away our energy supplies (particularly in the poorer parts of the world).

    Aside from that, it just doesn’t seem to make much psychological sense. The Koch brothers, for example, wouldn’t knowingly cause widespread harm that would eventually come back to harm themselves, would they? Unless they somehow believe that they would have the resources for themselves, their families and their business to adapt to the effects. Wouldn’t self-preservation win out over maintained affluence in that particular cognitive dissonance situation?

    I have read some of the peer-reviewed psychology literature that Desmogblog sometimes posts, but I haven’t seen any evidence that indicates that climate deniers know what they are doing. To me, that gives some hope that we can all be partners in solving the issue once a majority of people take an objective look at the scientific organizations and their statements.

    • greenman3610 Says:

      having met some of these guys, I can tell you that there is a hard core of sociopaths at the heart of the movement.
      A serial killer may genuinely believe that he hears the voice of God and that his victims are lizard people from planet xenon. That does not make him less of a dangerous maniac.

    • otter17 Says:

      >> “A serial killer may genuinely believe that he hears the voice of God and that his victims are lizard people from planet xenon. That does not make him less of a dangerous maniac.”

      True that. It seems you have more personal experience with them than I do.

      So it seems that some are beyond any hope of rationally convincing them that a plan to meet emissions reduction targets is needed. I guess it amounts to who can better reach the majority of the people then?

      • greenman3610 Says:

        reaching the middle is the game plan. I’ll be posting some polling soon that I believe shows we have bottomed out and are on the way up.

        • otter17 Says:

          Cool. Nowhere to go but up, haha.

          I always figured that the game plan was to reach the middle, but it seems the movement gets distracted by the immovable deniers. For example, I don’t see much of the utility behind protests outside a coal-fired power plant or a major oil company stockholder’s meeting, unless that somehow sends a message that inspires the middle ground folks to also take action.

          I guess both addressing the deniers and the misinformation while also reaching out to the middle is the way to go. I suppose the movement has done a halfway decent job at it so far, considering the huge task at hand.

  2. prokaryotes Says:

    Obama Climate Change Promise (2009)

  3. Martin Lack Says:

    I have only known about the Merchants of Doubt for less than a year; and yet they make me soooo angry that I want to punch the wall…

    I am amazed by the self-control exhibited by James Hansen, Ben Santer, et al who, despite being aware of the organised nature of the campaign to discredit them for decades, have not taken advantage of the Second Amendment to the US Constitution…

    However, for the record, I am not in favour of the Death Penalty in any circumstances (even for the unprecedented level of crime against humanity of which these people will be so clearly guilty).

  4. A-p Sihvonen Says:

    I fully agree of the smoking, which I do. But to link tobacco lobbying with Climate change, No, you make fun of your self. Try to link smoking with Fukushima or Tchernobyl, proper challenge

    • greenman3610 Says:

      you need to immediately google and watch naomi oreskes The American Denial of Global Warming.
      Your information is sorely lacking.


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